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    Quote Originally Posted by e999999 View Post
    Well, the union mentality has shined through here for sure. First of all, it is only your comments that I am replying to, but since you are not used to being judged on your own merits, you take it as an attack against all union members. You will not do well in a non-union atmosphere because you can't separate yourself from the protection of the union. It is like a disease of the mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpsmith1cm View Post
    Get real.

    Unions have been cutting into pensions for years, and those guys are OLDER than you more than likely. Hell, they're older than me.

    They aren't paying into your pension, it's going to be the other way around.
    Hey I cant complain, the union is yet to give me a reason to hate them. I get paid good to support my upcoming family, safe conditions, good benefits and a fat pension. Just the way it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k_fridge View Post
    Let me make this a little more clear to you

    *Mod hat is on*



    STOP
    Im not arguing with you nor do I intend to but there was clear namecalling directed at me, if I would to pull a stunt such as that you know very well you would send me on vacation again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beaver Bob View Post
    Hey I cant complain, the union is yet to give me a reason to hate them. I get paid good to support my upcoming family, safe conditions, good benefits and a fat pension. Just the way it is.
    Start paying close attention to your paycheck.

    Maybe get a calculator out.

    You get a lot of money from the union so that they can take it back a nickel and a dime at a time.



    I'm just saying...


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    BTW.

    Nice re-direct, Beaver Bob.

    You didn't address either of the points that I made, just threw a smokescreen and ran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpsmith1cm View Post
    Start paying close attention to your paycheck.

    Maybe get a calculator out.

    You get a lot of money from the union so that they can take it back a nickel and a dime at a time.



    I'm just saying...

    Im sure they do, and you know what its not a problem because I still bring in more than a lot of non union techs. Its hard to complain about something like have a good paying job when the economy is in the shape its in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpsmith1cm View Post
    BTW.

    Nice re-direct, Beaver Bob.

    You didn't address either of the points that I made, just threw a smokescreen and ran.
    Why do I need to bother with addressing your points I am not interested in your attempts to bring on a union vs. non debate.

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    I worked in a union shop as a controls-calibration/plant maintenance/lab technician. Knew electronics, metallurgy, couple years of college. Took courses and did a lot of studying to make me better at my job. Worked in a union shop but my position was salaried staff so I was not part of the union. The guy loading the vac furnaces ended up making 10k more than me. The only bargaining power I had was with my feet.

    Really liked the job so I tried getting a bump in pay. Eventually parted company. Now I am in a union position almost making twice as much as I did there. Lucky to be in a shop of good guys, not one of them is fat and lazy. The work is not as challenging as I am used to and I can make more in the private sector but I have better job security and that is worth something as you get older.

    If you end up working for someone who treats his employees well a union is not so important. A union helps when that is not the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beaver Bob View Post
    I was just interested in what the whole right to work thing would do to the state if it somehow managed to pass, just a question?

    and the info about the change in law was in the stl labor tribune the site doesnt have the particular article posted I am trying to find it.
    Check out Virginia's labor regulations. They've been a right to work state forever and have no problems getting things done.

    Right to work is exactly what it implies; every American has the right to work without having those rights taken away from them by some Socialist organization that needs government protection to survive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    I worked in a union shop as a controls-calibration/plant maintenance/lab technician. Knew electronics, metallurgy, couple years of college. Took courses and did a lot of studying to make me better at my job. Worked in a union shop but my position was salaried staff so I was not part of the union. The guy loading the vac furnaces ended up making 10k more than me. The only bargaining power I had was with my feet.

    Really liked the job so I tried getting a bump in pay. Eventually parted company. Now I am in a union position almost making twice as much as I did there. Lucky to be in a shop of good guys, not one of them is fat and lazy. The work is not as challenging as I am used to and I can make more in the private sector but I have better job security and that is worth something as you get older.

    If you end up working for someone who treats his employees well a union is not so important. A union helps when that is not the case.
    I think thats the rule anywhere nowadays you need to earn that union wage and job security will always be there if you do just that, there is no such thing as a lazy guy in a shop anymore, some of them still manage to be fat but thats besides the point lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    In general "right to work" states have lower per capita income. They have a lot of what are called "free riders" people who receive the benefits of the union but don't have to belong.
    Cost of living in right to work states coincides with income. Virginia is certainly not what anyone would call an impovershed state. States that are heavy labor union states have a high cost of living. This shows that labor unions cost more.

    As far as what you call "free riders", that is only from a union perspective. When there are no special interests from government for unions, things will be more equal. Union workers in right to work states actually make out better because along with higher wages they also have lower cost of living. It is only the union bosses who oppose this because they are not able to leach off of every worker.
    Government is a disease...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Check out Virginia's labor regulations. They've been a right to work state forever and have no problems getting things done.

    Right to work is exactly what it implies; every American has the right to work without having those rights taken away from them by some Socialist organization that needs government protection to survive.
    socialist organization, My rights have not been taken away, if anything the socialist organization has given me more rights as a worker, as opposed to the right to work idea seems to take a lot of those away?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Check out Virginia's labor regulations. They've been a right to work state forever and have no problems getting things done.
    I agree, also check out Egypt during the New Kingdom and the south pre Civil War. They had no problems getting things done either.

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