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  1. #14
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    Clients are not dumb, especially today. tell the little shi^ that he has two choices, comply or go home. if he isnt on time, start without him. if he needs you to escort him in and is late, make him wait until coffee, unpaid. if he doesnt want to follow safety, send him home. its pretty simple. Then call your office and get another one. you cant let him develop bad habits, its a reflection on you too.

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    One frustrating fact, this is the type of stooge that ends up either being in the right place at the right time or know somebody higher up and gets the promotion that you feel you deserved...



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    If a day goes by and you have learned nothing, I hope you got a lot of sleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by targetman View Post
    I had him for a helper last spring at a Foundry. He rode with me but all the other BS went on. I have not been invited back since. I know he's making me look bad.
    It is guys like this that make people like me not like unions, you seem to be a good guy who is conscientious and wants to do the job right, show up on time and get things done, yet this slacker comes in late and is now keeping you from being called back and makes You look bad, drop this POS and get a new helper, times are tough right now, why let this POS take food out of your family's mouth?

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    Wow, what a rough topic.

    The kid is wrong, not a doubt about it but do you yourself have the authority to give this kid the boOt (if after you might have spoken with him about the issues at hand and he doesn't adhere) or being in the Union do you have a chain of command of people to talk to about the kid which could possibly make you look even worse to your other 'brothers' whom the kid might have ties to.

    Good thing about non union, you can see and talk to the boss if you yourself aren't him and have things straightened out by yesterday.

    Hope it works out.

  5. #18
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    I don't know as union,non-union has anything to do with it.
    It's just the way some folks operate.

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    Well how does that work then? He can't himself fire the guy through being union but if the OP was a lead tech at a non union company, he easily could.

    I myself have always been enthusiastic about hvac and I've for the most part always been lucky to work with guys whom took that respect and enthusiasm and ran with it, showing me hands on how to do things and taking their time to explain what each process means to the next and so and and so forth, step by step. I pretty much get paid to learn on the job, how cool is that?

    I can't imagine arguing with someone who has ten times the experience and who might be willing to show you the ropes, unheard of.

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    I've done it all being the grunt and working my way up ( it's a process), from cleaning and organizing the work trucks to cleaning and organizing the offices to thoroughly cleaning and organizing the warehouses to cleaning and organizing job sites, maintaining organization along with a pretty darned good inventory of all things and a clean working atmpshpere...even now as I lead installer it's my job.

    I to this day do not mind running back and forth grabbing tools or carrying tools for any of the older guys, bosses (or below me if they need help) who've put in their time and are pretty much just their to show you the correct way or tricks and tips of the trade so they can eventually retire and know they've done all they can passing the torch.

    And in hvac I've never minded consistently being polite to everyone, just comes naturally especially involving people's home's but even outside of that on commercial build ups. Teamwork.

    Electrical on the other hand, is an entirely different story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roadhouse View Post
    Well how does that work then? He can't himself fire the guy through being union but if the OP was a lead tech at a non union company, he easily could.

    I myself have always been enthusiastic about hvac and I've for the most part always been lucky to work with guys whom took that respect and enthusiasm and ran with it, showing me hands on how to do things and taking their time to explain what each process means to the next and so and and so forth, step by step. I pretty much get paid to learn on the job, how cool is that?

    I can't imagine arguing with someone who has ten times the experience and who might be willing to show you the ropes, unheard of.
    I guess you're correct.
    For some reason, I can't edit that post, or I would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roadhouse View Post
    Well how does that work then? He can't himself fire the guy through being union but if the OP was a lead tech at a non union company, he easily could.
    I don't know anything about the chain of command or politics of the union, so I can't comment on that. But even non union, a lead techs opinion on a newer guy would probably have some clout but from what I've seen wouldn't necessarily mean the end of someone else. The boss or bosses would evaluate the situation and they would decide who stays or goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the dangling wrangler View Post
    I guess you're correct.
    For some reason, I can't edit that post, or I would.
    I don't know what means more, the fact that you used the proper "you're" or the fact that I'm correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the dangling wrangler View Post
    I don't know as union,non-union has anything to do with it.
    It's just the way some folks operate.
    I don't know anything about non-union, but I know that if I called the office and said that my apprentice wasn't cutting it and described what Targetman is describing, he'd be gone by the end of the day.

    I'm not a hard-core union guy, but this is the stuff that gives unions a black eye in many people's eye. As union workers, we need to police this behavior among ourselves.

    If the boss won't man up and get rid of this slug, I'd knock him around a little on the job. Haze him a little, make his life difficult and make it clear to him that it is his behavior that is bringing it on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newoldtech View Post
    I don't know anything about the chain of command or politics of the union, so I can't comment on that. But even non union, a lead techs opinion on a newer guy would probably have some clout but from what I've seen wouldn't necessarily mean the end of someone else. The boss or bosses would evaluate the situation and they would decide who stays or goes.
    Well jpsmith1cm's post just now seemingly clarifies what SHOULD happen inside of the union. I'm guessing it can and does work that way too.

    No, I'm not saying that anyone needs be fired over a first complaint but this is serious, he's getting paid for two hours of not even being on the job ( if union pays salary and the kid is arriving an hour late and leaving an hour early), arguing with the lead guy and not having his safety gear in order. And now the OP isn't allowed back on the job? He's been made to look bad? Possibly put another dent in the union's side? It'd be over before he got to the company truck to drive it to what he thought was home. As far as I'm concerned and after one stearn talking to, he can humbly find himself a new job at the first sign of any ensuing trouble. If the kid breathes wrong he's gone.

    I guess it's up to the OP to finally put his foot down and have a word with either the apprentice and/or a boss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roadhouse View Post
    I don't know what means more, the fact that you used the proper "you're" or the fact that I'm correct.
    I re- read the original post, and I guess it was union related. I just can't edit the post for some reason.

    Hey, I'm not afraid to stand corrected when I'm wrong.
    Which, believe it or not, has been more than once in my life.

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