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    Someone set this straight

    There's a new commercial on in the states playing during this extremely annoying, pedantic, and flat out juvenile election season.

    It shows this woman who says that she had a brain tumor and if she waited for Canada's healthcare to work, she'd be dead. But she came to the US and got quality care and after that it started to sound like Charlie Brown's teacher.

    Is this some craptastic scheme to put Republicans in the house so they can muck s*** up for another six years? Do they REALLY think Americans can be that freaking dumb to forget the prior eight years of their reign? Where the Republican president and Congress completely drove the standard of living and the wages down to the bottom?

    If so, do they think that we're that retarded to think that ONE commercial can make us and bow down to the religious right and praise them and worship their all-knowing c*** and balls?

    I call bull.

    It's like they want to blame Democrats for helping people, but that's one of the values espoused in the Right's "holy book"

    Someone, anyone, from Canada give us the skinny. I want to know if they're trying to pull a fast one on us because they think "Socialism is evil" as they hold their Medicare cards, live on Social Security, and use public roads, sewer systems, municipal water, trash service, and send their kids to public schools and universities....

    Again, bull
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    Oh boo hiss! WTH happened to the poo?
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    i am thinking this should be moved to ARP

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    Quote Originally Posted by yellowirenut View Post
    i am thinking this should be moved to ARP
    Yes, he can make lots of new friends there.

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    Well, first I'd like to cut you some slack, since you are in school and no doubt have been surrounded by slackers for most of your young life. Believe me, I fully understand that dynamic. I was there, once.

    It seems that your post has two complaints.

    First, it seems that your complaint is about the commercial itself. I suspect you believe that it is not true. Allow me to disabuse you of that notion.

    I am half Canadian. Many of my living relatives and some friends live there. However, I don't need to have this connection to understand the overt facts that gave rise to that commercial.

    Every day, Canadians who need medical care this week board busses in Southern Canada, and go to hospitals in the US, where their life-sustaining surgery is performed nearly without delay. Had these people not been able to get on that bus and come here, the chances are excellent that they would die while waiting for the Canadian system to get them into a hospital for treatment.

    The purpose of the commercial is to let Americans know what is waiting, lurking in the wings if you will, with what has come to be known as Obamacare. It is, in a word, rationing.

    Don't take my word for it. Do your own research. You will find that the top "healthcare advisers" to the Obama administration, and the Tides Foundation who were responsible for most of the pages in the Bill, not only foresee rationing, but they are champions of it, feeling that hard working, smart America citizens who have lived right and invested wisely, are judged to have "too much," and they desire to "even the playing field" and bring "fairness" to healthcare.

    Of course, they would get to decide just what constitutes "fairness."

    Second, you seem annoyed that someone might be smart enough to ignore what the administration touts as being beneficial to everyone, and instead put some other group into political power, rightly determining that the present group has no love for freedom and individual liberty.

    Does that about cover your point?
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    As far as the Canadian health system you can ask Sarah Palin who has used it for her children going over the border for free care.

    You could go by the Invertors Business Daily who said about nationalized healthcare.
    “People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn’t have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless,”

    Now of course Stephen Hawking is British and said.
    “I wouldn’t be here today if it were not for the NHS. I have received a large amount of high-quality treatment without which I would not have survived.”

    Or you can ask me. I flew my wife and son to Canada paid cash for services making it cheaper to get care for her than here in the US with my Blue Cross and Blue Shield.

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    ****, I've barely had any money to even invest. I'm going to be lucky to have a 201k. I've got a house, and a family. But it makes me sick that CEOs are making more than 500x what the normal person makes. That's seriously wrong.

    To point out what makes universal healthcare right or wrong, goes down a bigger rabbit hole because it takes a lot more than just saying "This is wrong because it's a handout"

    In my eyes, if someone uses that argument, then they also have to burn their Medicare and Social Security cards.

    That is socialism as well. You can't tell me that's any different than universal healthcare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMACCGrad11 View Post
    There's a new commercial on in the states playing during this extremely annoying, pedantic, and flat out juvenile election season.

    It shows this woman who says that she had a brain tumor and if she waited for Canada's healthcare to work, she'd be dead. But she came to the US and got quality care and after that it started to sound like Charlie Brown's teacher.

    Is this some craptastic scheme to put Republicans in the house so they can muck s*** up for another six years? Do they REALLY think Americans can be that freaking dumb to forget the prior eight years of their reign? Where the Republican president and Congress completely drove the standard of living and the wages down to the bottom?

    If so, do they think that we're that retarded to think that ONE commercial can make us and bow down to the religious right and praise them and worship their all-knowing c*** and balls?

    I call bull.

    It's like they want to blame Democrats for helping people, but that's one of the values espoused in the Right's "holy book"

    Someone, anyone, from Canada give us the skinny. I want to know if they're trying to pull a fast one on us because they think "Socialism is evil" as they hold their Medicare cards, live on Social Security, and use public roads, sewer systems, municipal water, trash service, and send their kids to public schools and universities....

    Again, bull
    Ahhh so much bitterness. And such a classy way of getting it off your chest. You aren't related, or a friend of Bill Maher or Mr Dean are you. Maybe you should do your homework and check with the average citizens up in Canada and find out what it's really like!! You need Chemo??? Get in line. You need a bypass surgery??? Get in line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMACCGrad11 View Post
    ****, I've barely had any money to even invest. I'm going to be lucky to have a 201k. I've got a house, and a family. But it makes me sick that CEOs are making more than 500x what the normal person makes. That's seriously wrong.

    No, That is serious freedom.

    If you want to earn that kind of money, skip all the college parties and study to get your MBA, and then become a CEO.

    To point out what makes universal healthcare right or wrong, goes down a bigger rabbit hole because it takes a lot more than just saying "This is wrong because it's a handout"

    That's correct. It is wrong because it is a political tool.

    In my eyes, if someone uses that argument, then they also have to burn their Medicare and Social Security cards.

    I will have to forego most the social security and medicare benefits as they exist today. No need to burn the card, as it won't be worth much for me, and probably won't even exist, for you.

    That is socialism as well. You can't tell me that's any different than universal healthcare.
    Here is why it is different.

    All working Americans were forced to pay into SS and medicare. No choice to opt out. That's like a forced insurance premium. In socialism, a benefit is given by the government that was not earned nor paid into.

    Unfortunately, we decided over the course of the last century that a lot of stuff was going to be covered, like the free scooters you see on TV being touted for Medicare recipients, and a failure to re-index the eligibility age for SS as the length of life increased. When SS started, most people were dead by age 65.

    Even though many people in my age group have paid into SS all of our working lives, most of us will not see the benefit level at the same age we expected. The money is simply not there, not even on paper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    As far as the Canadian health system you can ask Sarah Palin who has used it for her children going over the border for free care.

    Do tell. Give us a link for that.

    You could go by the Invertors Business Daily who said about nationalized healthcare.
    “People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn’t have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless,”

    Now of course Stephen Hawking is British and said.
    “I wouldn’t be here today if it were not for the NHS. I have received a large amount of high-quality treatment without which I would not have survived.”

    Dr. Hawking is a British celebrity, and they know it. Had he been living in the home of a coal miner, Dr. Hawking would indeed have been out of luck.

    In Britain, as in Canada, it depends on who you are that determines what care you will receive.

    Or you can ask me. I flew my wife and son to Canada paid cash for services making it cheaper to get care for her than here in the US with my Blue Cross and Blue Shield.
    You were able to pay cash for less because much of the cost was paid by Canadian taxpayers. So, you owe the Canadian Treasury a check.

    Here, all of the cost would be borne by the taxpayers. And, it would be configured based on some bureacrat's idea of "fairness." Babies and old folks, look out.
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    Here are a couple of quotes from

    1) Rom Emanuel's brother, and

    2) Cass Sunstein, a close ally and adviser to Obama and the Tides Foundation:

    Ezekiel Emanuel
    “When implemented, the complete lives system produces a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most substantial chance, whereas the …youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated…The complete lives system justifies preference to younger people because of priority to the worst off rather than instrumental value.”

    Cass Sunstein
    “I urge that the government should indeed focus on life years rather than lives. A program that saves young people produces more welfare than one that saves old people.”
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    So then why not create a medicare system similar to the one now that we have, that people who NEED can get into.

    So let me get this straight, the money for Medicare comes out of our checks already anyways right? As well as social security? Okay, so what's the problem with expanding Medicare to cover everyone, and take that money out of the taxes we already pay? Everyone who makes under $45k gets pretty much all of their taxes and then some back, correct?

    So then make that less, and use the money to fund the expanded Medicare system. People still get paid, they still make money.

    But by the same shake, lets get rid of the Bush tax cuts for the upper 10%.

    That would pay for it all as well. And put us ahead. And that extra money could do something wild and crazy, like I don't know, pay down the national debt!

    As far as college parties, ****, I wish! The campus is dry. The campus parties are getting together to play board games and watch movies no one gives a s*** about (TWILIGHT!!! SERIOUSLY? ARE we freaking TWELVE?!)

    I have more fun going out and drinking and driving more than going to those things.

    Hell, my idea of a party is better than theirs and that's drinking at home!
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    The more money they take from me the less i have to spend on stuff..the stuff i buy builds and runs the economy. Smaller paycheck less likely to spend $$$ on a new furnace..will instead spend $.5. I have a heart issue..i save money in my own account for if something happens. Why is it on my shoulders to pay for someones mismanagement of money? when they them selves may make more than I?

    I donate a good amount to a local organization that provides free health care to the poor...plus dental. I know exactly where my money is going..no bureaucratic BS and red tape.

    you are looking at this at totally numbers driven..you are not looking at the human aspect..how people react and interact.

    As u age you will see things in a different way...it will come slowly but it will come

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