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  1. #14
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    Originally posted by The Penguin
    For me its ok that I pretend that Santa and the tooth fairy, and the easter bunny exists for my kids they don't need to grow up too fast, its fast enough as it is. I am going to enjoy their innocence for as long as it is good for them and I will feel good about it too!
    I will agree with this. When I look back on my childhood my brothers and sister would sit up and try to watch for santa and it is great memories. My son who is now 11 don't believe anymore and he still has fun with the santa thing with his little sister who is now starting to question. If you were scarred for life because your parents lied to you about santa, there is probably more going on than that.

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    great post Penguin. Nothing wrong with kids having imagination and something they want to believe in.

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    isn't Christmas supposed to be about the kiddies. This Santa fib matters how?? These kids have the rest of their lives to be in the "rat race of life". the rest of adult life of being underpaid, overworked, unappreciated, under the gun, mortgages, car loan etc. that's a shame they missed a great part of childhood because it's A LIE!!!! it's a lie ...BIG DEAL. let the kids have fun. ooh to be 7 yrs. old again
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    Sure; remember the joyous looks on their little deceived faces while they are still being deceived. Don't dare think of the devastated looks of dismay, hurt, embarrassment and distrust on their faces when they realize they have been duped by the very people they trust.

    Subtle teachings of wrong breed sly wrong doers.
    Government is a disease...
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    Here's how we do it. My kids each get one present and the family as a whole gets a present wrapped in Santa wrapping paper. The rest of the loot they know comes from us. I won't spend anytime with my therapist working through my guilt for lying and I don't think my kids will bankrupt me with their psychiatric expenses either. They grow up faster now than even a few years ago. Let them have a few fantastic fantasies.

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    Originally posted by RoBoTeq
    Don't dare think of the devastated looks of dismay, hurt, embarrassment and distrust on their faces when they realize they have been duped by the very people they trust.
    Your parents must have broke it to you the wrong way.

    Robo: Mommy, Daddy is Santa coming this year.

    Dad: Shut up you brat he's fake anyway. You aint getting **** no more.

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    This time of year would mean much more to me if it was not so depressing and lonely. But then again, What time of year ISN'T depressing and loely for me............

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    Originally posted by RoBoTeq
    Sure; remember the joyous looks on their little deceived faces while they are still being deceived. Don't dare think of the devastated looks of dismay, hurt, embarrassment and distrust on their faces when they realize they have been duped by the very people they trust.

    Subtle teachings of wrong breed sly wrong doers.
    come on.....it's Santa Claus. it's not like you told them they had different parents or something IMPORTANT. all the bull**** wrong doings that people do in their lives. AND LIE ABOUT. the drinking, drugs, infidelity, stupid choices, divorce, etc. have you done any of these?? have you lied about these? (not you personally Robo) these are the deceitful lies you speak of....not Santa. He's still good.
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    I understand your sentiments. At first blush it seems totally innocent and non-harmful to deceive children about things like Santa, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. But; where do children who grow up thinking that lying and deceiving are things that are alright to do, get those ideas?

    I know not everyone reads or tries to follow what is stated in the Bible, but since this is supposed to be the season of celebration for the birth of Jesus the Christ I feel it is appropriate to quote what is attributed to Him about lying;
    NIV John 8:44 - You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
    We do well at what we practice. There are other ways to inject the spirit of Santa into our lives than lying.

    Let's face it folks; we lie to kids for our own personal gain and enjoyment. It amuses us that we have so much control over a child that we can get them to believe something simply on the promise of gifts. We trick children into "being good" because "Santa is watching", the same way we trick them to go to sleep or the monster under the bed will get them. It all boils down to manipulative power over others. And that trait is with them when they grow up.
    Government is a disease...
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    you and me don't agree on anything. i don't care what you say, Santa is still coming. Merry Christmas none the less. you jerk.
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    Originally posted by RoBoTeq
    Sure; Subtle teachings of wrong breed sly wrong doers.
    I agree with Robosrcouge,or rather I see his point anyway.

    Remember Robo,that everthing has a purpose.Lying has a purpose. What if you get captured by Iraq?Will you tell them how to access the securenet/goodman/pdf/thingyouhave?

    So why not tell little kids that santa IS make-believe to begin with? This will teach a more valuable life lesson.



    And if you want ME to keep your password/thing while your away,then I will...

    HAPPY HOLIDAY.

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    LIke I said before the adult world simply would not function if we did not lie case in point (the movie liar liar with Jim Carey) (Canadian too!)

    As it stands I my self know of no one whom has been tramurtised by being told lies about the big three santa the tooth fairy and the easter bunny. Nor have I seen any talk shows adress this topic at all

    having said this I can see Robos point although I would suggest that Robo has difficulty seeing the greys of life thus its black and white for him.

    Merry Christmas everyone and for the kids whom are willing to believe http://www.noradsanta.org/
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    Originally posted by tinner73
    you and me don't agree on anything. i don't care what you say, Santa is still coming. Merry Christmas none the less. you jerk.
    Now that's commitment to the spirit of the holidays! Thanks tinner, I did enjoy reading this

    For the rest; I cannot say you are wrong nor can I say I am right. I have admitted that I do lie when I feel it is needed.

    I did do the Santa stories with my boys growing up, I just made it clear that Santa was not an actual person.

    By the way, Santa is only a jolly old elf one day of the year. The rest of the year he is an elf slave driving bully!
    Government is a disease...
    ...masquerading as its own cure…
    Ecclesiastes 10:2 NIV


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