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    The wonderful time of their life is Santa. When I would get a bicycle for them, unassembled in the box, I would take the front wheel and put it either on top of the car or on top of the house.Then on Christmas morning, we are trying to put the bike together, the wheel is missing,,,. Explain that Santa was in a hurry to get all the toys to the children. Go outside looking, the child spots the wheel on top of the house....I also chunked some Dog poop up there and said, "Look what those reindeer did"! They had a Happy Christmas and I hope all of you and your families have the same. Roy

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    Good job dad great idea!

    heres a link where you can track santa http://www.noradsanta.org/
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    I am not judging anyone here, just stating how I felt about the Santa thing;

    My children grew up knowing that Santa was a fictitious entity and that dad was the one who bought the gifts. I could not bring myself to lie to my children and bear the responsibility of having them know that dad was the first person in life to deceive them.

    I had very adverse personal issues with learning that Santa, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy were not real. It was at that time that I turned from God because I was convinced that some day someone was going to tell me how stupid I was for believing in Him also.
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    A couple of weeks ago

    We drove an hour up island to see Santa. In reality it was my wifes Dad who had a Santa gig and my daughter had no clue it was her Grandpa. She was pretty amazed when Santa knew her name and where she lived.
    As we pulled off this bit of subterfuge I thought Robo would dissaprove. Then I smiled and carried on.

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    Like I said, I'm not one to judge. Just not something I was comfortable doing.

    I consider any untruth to be a lie. I love stories and I love telling and hearing tall tales. When the story is over though, I prefer to acknowledge that it was indeed just a story.
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    Santa is a state of mind.

    Yea, I believe in Santa and all he stands for. He's just a real nice fat guy that likes to share. No Santa Heaven and Grinch Hell to fear, no 10 commandments, no Santa School on the weekend. Big difference. I do remember that in Sunday School as a kid they were tellin us "The whale ate Jonah" I mentioned whales have Baleen Plates and couldn't swallow a man. SS teacher said "You just have to believe" and I didn't. But see....... Theres no day when ya get a whole stack of presents from God, so I decided I'd rather believe in Santa.... cause you just gotta believe in something!
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    Smile

    Robo, isn't there some time in your life that you can just shut your brain down. By reading all of your posts for the last year, I see that you are a very smart person. Maybe too smart. I see your friends and posts asking just for you. You have a personality that is strong and people like that. I have a son just like you. He is normally right in every thing he does. But us every day people, like you would like a break once a year. I do know what you mean about the pagan holiday. Spotts said it all, It's just a mind thing. How come people like you? Because of your brain? I think you and I have alot in common. Life can be easy and fun! Merry Christmas to you, your children and your girlfriend! Roy

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    Originally posted by oroy54
    Robo, isn't there some time in your life that you can just shut your brain down. By reading all of your posts for the last year, I see that you are a very smart person. Maybe too smart. I see your friends and posts asking just for you. You have a personality that is strong and people like that. I have a son just like you. He is normally right in every thing he does. But us every day people, like you would like a break once a year. I do know what you mean about the pagan holiday. Spotts said it all, It's just a mind thing. How come people like you? Because of your brain? I think you and I have alot in common. Life can be easy and fun! Merry Christmas to you, your children and your girlfriend! Roy
    A lie is a break in life? I agree with Robo. My children just told someone that I am a Christian I know there is no santa. But Jesus Christ is real!


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    Hey Norm, I have very strong convictions also. Being a devout Christian I see no problem with the fantisies of the tooth fairy, halloween or Christmas. It's just fun and a day out of school or work. But I know where your coming from. We are not pagans and we do not worship the idea. I have not seen any child have a change of heart about Christ because of Christmas. And for the most part I do agree with you and Robo. Merry Christmas.

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    Santa is simply a lie and I do not lie to children. Also consider that Santa is made to have the attributes of God. He is all knowing, sees all, is everywhere at once and is all powerful. Why would I lie like that to my children?

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    I understand Norm, but I have known only happiness and family get togethers with this season...except funerals. We were all children in the safety of our parents and trusted them. I have a hard time with a guy that I work with that won't even let his grandchildren watch "Frosty the Snowman" and get no presents from the grandparents. I still know what your talking about, but in my life there is alot more to worry about right now. I think that my rewards in heaven might be less, but that was my decision right or wrong. Roy

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    oroy54, sometimes I think of myself as an intelligent person and sometimes I think that intellect is a complete waste of my existance. I am complex enough to know right from wrong and yet choose badly at times.

    I lie. Anyone who says they don't is a liar. I find lying to be one of the most degrading thing I can do, so I reserve lying for keeping me out of trouble, like;
    officer: Mr Boyd, I clocked you doing 95 in a 30 mile zone while weaving dramatically; have you been drinking.
    me:uhhhh, no.
    officer:And why do you have a goat with a dress on it in the back of your van?
    me:uhhhh, it belongs to a friend of mine named Dice.

    See how that works? If I really need to lie to stay out of trouble, then of course I will do it. But if we really think about it, lying is taught to us. Lying is not a natural part of our behaviour, we are taught to lie.

    Telling fabricated stories to your children seems like a harmless little "white" lie. I don't think the color of a lie changes the fact that it is still a lie.

    My children grew up knowing that Santa Claus was a fabricated figure to show what we are like when Christmas time comes around. I told the usual Christmas stories only making certain it was known that it was in the spirit of the make believe Santa that people once a year felt like showing their appreciation and love for one another by giving each other presents.

    I also made certain that since Jesus was injected into this most pagan holiday by the Romans that Jesus at least got some air time. I always tried to keep bible stories in perspective so my children did not feel the way Spotts did toward a most difficult to explain story such as the Jonah and the Whale story.

    The fact is that Christmas is allegedly a Christian holiday but because of it's popularity and watered down Christian atitude it is celebrated by many who are not Christian. What is the need for a fat guy that dresses funny being accepted for breaking and entering our homes only because he is "giving" us something rather than "taking" something?

    Just as Spotts pointed out, we are giving our children a choice between God, who is all too often portrayed as an angry, punishing God or some fat guy who we accept doing wrong things for the sake of our own greed.

    Ask yourselves; Do I want my child to be lied to?
    Do I want my child to learn that lying is ok under certain circumstances?
    Do I want my child to do as I do?

    Is telling my child that some fat dude in the mall is Santa and that this "Santa" will bring them toys if they are "good", a lie?
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    We as parents first encourage our Children to be strong and not shy when they meet people as babies/toddlers, even if its a person they have never met before say an uncle or aunt or granparent etc. they we start "street proofing our children" by telling them to be wary of people they don't know. we also tell stories and read books to our children about fictishious characters, my daughter currently is obsessed with barbies, polly pockets, cinderella, and the little mermaid. I think she believes they exist or existed at one point.
    the adult world is full of lies it wouldn't function with out them. eg are you going to tell your boss he's an arseh###? even if you think so you wont cause you need your job right? are you going to tell your girlfriend/wife she really does look fat in that dress? no I dont think so well I wouldn't anyway.
    Are you going to tell your customer he's a moron for not checking to see if his breaker or disconnect switch is off before calling you for a service call? no?

    as adults we generally have enough discression as to know then a lie is the right thing to say in a situation. we need to teach our children this if they are to be sucessfull in adult life. for example I chose not to tell the airport security guard at lax that they were totally out of control and are complete stupid pricks, I chose to say they were doing a great job even though my zipper on my pants set off the alarms and my wife had a pocket full of coins and hot wheels cars did not.

    I think its my duty to teach my children the difference between what and when its appropiate to tell a lie
    How do we really know theres' only one god any way? does god exist?
    this is what I like being any to have a different view than some one else and that either of us could be right or wrong and yet we can still get along.

    For me its ok that I pretend that Santa and the tooth fairy, and the easter bunny exists for my kids they don't need to grow up too fast, its fast enough as it is. I am going to enjoy their innocence for as long as it is good for them and I will feel good about it too!
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