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    Made in America

    Last week I changed out a 3HP condenser fan motor and a 15 HP chilled water pump motor. I just wanted everyone to know that both motors were proudly labeled in bold lettering MADE IN AMERICA. The manufacturer is Baldor. I have absoulutley no affiliation with them. I am just impressed that they compete with the outsourcers at a very competitive price and keep a lot of people in Fort Smith, Arkansas employed.

    Baldor does have factories all over the world but they are an international company.
    Signature on hold. Trying to find a real Jefferson quote I like. Others here have bogus Jefferson quotes too.

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    I always did like Baldor. Now I like them even more lol
    Gotta have the right tool for the job!

    Where is all the stuff MADE IN THE USA?

    "Thats what we do Troy. Incredible, Invisible, Imbelivable things. We are an Unseen, Unknown, Unvincible fraternity of craftsman.."

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    I attempt to use Baldor motors where ever I can as a replacement. They are built right and run right. Problem is most distributors don't carry them so I typically have to go through and electrical supply.
    "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the public's own money.
    - Alexis de Toqueville, 1835

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    Baldor has been a favorite of mine for years. Back when I worked in industrial maintenance they were the only ones we used.

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    I was made in America...my wife has mentioned wanting an import though

    I said okay, if you get one so do I. No deals

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    a certain segment has been crying about buy american for years, and up until recently were considered crazy. the executives raped and pillaged this country, which was once a great producer of products. with technology, we are more efficient than ever, yet most dont believe it. biggest issue we have with manufacturing is the "managing of quarterly results"; of public companies.

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    YES BALDOR IS GOOD

    oops caps

    I ALSO USE CUTLER HAMMER HVX2000 DRIVES MADE IN usa

    OOPS CAPS AGAIN!

    dammit

    on our big motors we also use westinghouse for large cast iron motors

    steel frame we use baldor

    God bless America
    I WILL SELL WORK,GENERATE BUSINESS, GO GET NEW CUSTOMERS!
    YOU SHUT THE HELL UP AND QUIT RUNNING YOUR MOUTH!

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    hold on there buddy!

    Quote Originally Posted by flange View Post
    a certain segment has been crying about buy american for years, and up until recently were considered crazy. the executives raped and pillaged this country, which was once a great producer of products. with technology, we are more efficient than ever, yet most dont believe it. biggest issue we have with manufacturing is the "managing of quarterly results"; of public companies.
    Executives raped and pillaged?

    Not really, Uncle Sam is doing the raping and pillaging.

    Business' are formed for one reason, to make a profit. No profit, no business, no jobs.

    As a business owner in a large metropolitan area I can tell you the government is not out to help me make a profit, they are however out to take as much of my profit as they can without causing me to move over the border into the suburbs.

    I am a small fry but each and every day I get at least one piece of mail from the city asking for some kind of fee or fine. Lately they have taken up charging for services that I am already getting taxed for.
    Basically the city, state, and federal government are working against me.

    Now if I want to hire a new employee, I have to look at the big picture. Will this new hire make me a profit?
    Part of the calculation goes like this, first I have to pay more workman's compensation insurance, I have to match his SSI which is a 7.5% tax on the employer. Basically I can figure a 30% cost above the new hires pay coming out of my pocket, and that does not include medical insurance.

    Since I have a service business I am kind of stuck, I cannot move my service company out of the country.

    But what if I was a manufacturer? Well the government always figured somebody with a large factory and a large workforce was basically a sitting duck ready to pluck. Unfortunately as these large cities and the state and federal governments plucked the profits from these companies, these profits unlike what you think actually go towards making the company more competitive, developing new and better ways of manufacturing products.

    This money source was basically stolen by government and given to folks who thought a free hand out was just the thing and what the heck the rich guy could afford it.

    But the rich guy said I need cut somewhere to keep the company competitive, and do R+D. So he decided to look for a better location where the local government might want to roll out the welcome mat to get a big employer to move in.

    But the state and federal governments heaped on more taxes and more regulation, just like they are now doing to the HVAC industry which has raised my costs by at least 50% since before the hole in the ozone layer was found.

    So these same executives had a choice to make, go out of business, or find a different government, one that would welcome a factory, one that was just like the USA before we the people allowed them to go on this feeding frenzey and sucking every last dollar of profits from our large manufacturers.

    You cannot have it both ways, as an employer who made me responsible to pay your medical insurance? Who made me responsible to pay into your retirement account? No one is providing me the employer with a medical policy nor a retirement account. If I want to give a benefit for a job well done I am not allowed to do this, I have to give the same benefit to the slacker as I do to the best worker. And if I fire the slacker he will collect unemployment compensation from my State account causing me to pay a higher insurance rate. Yes in PA if you fire someone they can collect, I as the employer can go to court to prove the claim false, but the employee can appeal as many times as it takes for me to give up.

    So what am I to do? Well I have been taking quite a bit of my profits and investing them into other non employee investments instead of into my company, and this is what most other companies are doing in this economic mess. In the very near future I will no longer need to be in the HVAC business, but I will remain until the government makes it not worth bothering, and then all my employees, and all those others that benefit from my business will be out of luck.

    Then I will be one of those raping and pillaging executives.
    Excuse us for wanting to be in a profitable business. In the very near future if something is not done to put the brakes on taxes and regulations the USA is going to resemble a third world country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtticAce View Post
    Executives raped and pillaged?

    In the very near future if something is not done to put the brakes on taxes and regulations the USA is going to resemble a third world country.
    And that's exactly what our government wants. They WANT it to be just like China where to government lives high on a hill and keeps the citizens poor. And you know who's fault it is we are headed this way? It's the fault of the American voters. The people who don't see this stuff or don't care.

    my brother in law is a self employed house appraiser. With all this health care reform, if they do not buy into the national health care system, they will now be fined over $700 every MONTH. If they do buy into it, they will be paying over $2,000 a month.

    So yeah....people voted for change and they GOT change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtticAce View Post
    Executives raped and pillaged?

    Not really, Uncle Sam is doing the raping and pillaging.

    Business' are formed for one reason, to make a profit. No profit, no business, no jobs.

    As a business owner in a large metropolitan area I can tell you the government is not out to help me make a profit, they are however out to take as much of my profit as they can without causing me to move over the border into the suburbs.

    I am a small fry but each and every day I get at least one piece of mail from the city asking for some kind of fee or fine. Lately they have taken up charging for services that I am already getting taxed for.
    Basically the city, state, and federal government are working against me.

    Now if I want to hire a new employee, I have to look at the big picture. Will this new hire make me a profit?
    Part of the calculation goes like this, first I have to pay more workman's compensation insurance, I have to match his SSI which is a 7.5% tax on the employer. Basically I can figure a 30% cost above the new hires pay coming out of my pocket, and that does not include medical insurance.

    Since I have a service business I am kind of stuck, I cannot move my service company out of the country.

    But what if I was a manufacturer? Well the government always figured somebody with a large factory and a large workforce was basically a sitting duck ready to pluck. Unfortunately as these large cities and the state and federal governments plucked the profits from these companies, these profits unlike what you think actually go towards making the company more competitive, developing new and better ways of manufacturing products.

    This money source was basically stolen by government and given to folks who thought a free hand out was just the thing and what the heck the rich guy could afford it.

    But the rich guy said I need cut somewhere to keep the company competitive, and do R+D. So he decided to look for a better location where the local government might want to roll out the welcome mat to get a big employer to move in.

    But the state and federal governments heaped on more taxes and more regulation, just like they are now doing to the HVAC industry which has raised my costs by at least 50% since before the hole in the ozone layer was found.

    So these same executives had a choice to make, go out of business, or find a different government, one that would welcome a factory, one that was just like the USA before we the people allowed them to go on this feeding frenzey and sucking every last dollar of profits from our large manufacturers.

    You cannot have it both ways, as an employer who made me responsible to pay your medical insurance? Who made me responsible to pay into your retirement account? No one is providing me the employer with a medical policy nor a retirement account. If I want to give a benefit for a job well done I am not allowed to do this, I have to give the same benefit to the slacker as I do to the best worker. And if I fire the slacker he will collect unemployment compensation from my State account causing me to pay a higher insurance rate. Yes in PA if you fire someone they can collect, I as the employer can go to court to prove the claim false, but the employee can appeal as many times as it takes for me to give up.

    So what am I to do? Well I have been taking quite a bit of my profits and investing them into other non employee investments instead of into my company, and this is what most other companies are doing in this economic mess. In the very near future I will no longer need to be in the HVAC business, but I will remain until the government makes it not worth bothering, and then all my employees, and all those others that benefit from my business will be out of luck.

    Then I will be one of those raping and pillaging executives.
    Excuse us for wanting to be in a profitable business. In the very near future if something is not done to put the brakes on taxes and regulations the USA is going to resemble a third world country.
    Couldnt have said it any better....

    Throw the bums and their banksters out......

    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...1.33278a9.html

    and if we have to, with some gentile persuation.

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    We have had a customer for years. When I first started doing business he had a factory with 300 employees. He is my age and started out with nothing.

    He sold his factory to a big conclomerate. He was then a millionaire. But he had nothing to do. Didn't have to worry about money. So he and wife started a little plastic molding business. He started out with him his wife and son as employees. He bought several Germany made robots. The robots buzz away 7 days a week 24 hours a day. Making made in America parts. I think he now has one or two warehouse men. Oh yes, now he is a multi millionaire. .

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    Since I have built two manufacturing plants that moved to china, and then came back, let me offer some insight. The ceo's of many of the major companies make moves that only reflect the near term, or even the iddylic. When many of these companies move to china or other far off lands, they do so with the PREMISE of lower cost and higher profits for shareholders. Unfortunately, they don't tell you the good, the bad, or the ugly, and usually hide it in the year end reports.

    When a company moves overseas, it cost money to close down a facility. It also costs money to move equipment, and in many cases, supervision. These costs are hidden in the p and l. In addition, there have been and continue to be cases of theft of intellectual property, especially within the borders of china. Here is an example. A company was set up to make x amount of a given product. They did this by running at a predetermined production level. Corporate was supposed to supervise this. After the corporate supervision ended, and all the boys went home to the states, the chinese started running that production plant after hours, or third shift. They copied the trademarked product, and sold their own brand using our technology, our resources, etc. This happens all of the time. The world court does nothing about it.

    There is another cases where a gigantic refinery is being built in south america, using an american, patented design. The coutry said eff you, and is building with our design, but not paying for using it. An american company is doing the supervision, well, that which they can since one of their big shots got shot while hunting a few years back. all the while, the ceo's are bonusing each other, and approving it since they sit on each others' board of directors.

    Look, I pay a lot of taxes, I agree. But what these guys are doing is damn near treason.

    One company I moved bakc informed me that since their production returned here, their net profits have soared, due to technology, no shipping costs over seas, expedited delivery and so on. You know what else? Americans are making the product. Dont be fooled into thinking that overseas labor is a panacea for manufacturing. In some cases it may be, but not all.

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    Good post flange.

    50 years ago American people sitting on production lines worked hard to send their kids to college. They didn't want thier children to have to work in a factory all of thier lives.

    Guess what. All the kids went to college and don't want to work in a factory for the rest of thier lives.

    I say; let robots make our sneakers right here in America. And let our young people design and service the robots. Let's export our kids to design and service robots all around the world.

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