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    Unemployment; are people really this stupid?

    An article on unemployment, because the government's way lowered number just went up to 9.6%, claims that even when jobs do open up, skilled workers will be needed but less skilled workers will have to work for less money...DUH!
    Whenever companies start hiring freely again, job-seekers with specialized skills and education will have plenty of good opportunities. Others will face a choice: Take a job with low pay — or none at all.
    Why in the world would people who have little skills expect to be paid as well as people who have committed themselves to learning skills?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100905/...nt_future_jobs
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    An article on unemployment, because the government's way lowered number just went up to 9.6%, claims that even when jobs do open up, skilled workers will be needed but less skilled workers will have to work for less money...DUH!Why in the world would people who have little skills expect to be paid as well as people who have committed themselves to learning skills?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100905/...nt_future_jobs
    This article makes sense to the millions of americans who not only expect equal opportunities, but equal outcomes. Sadly those millions are rapidly multiplying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cool-in-cayman View Post
    This article makes sense to the millions of americans who not only expect equal opportunities, but equal outcomes. Sadly those millions are rapidly multiplying.
    I cannot imagine living in a world where I am not equal to others that I can strive to be equal to or can help become equal to me.

    Socialism pretends to be communal in making everyone equal whether they deserve to be or not while in reality Socialism takes away the communal attitude that allows us to strive to better ourselves and help others make themselves better.

    In essence, Socialism is against the very nature of mankind and the way we were Created to function naturally. Socialism is nothing but a tool for elitists rise high above and control the "equally" poor masses. Ironically, Socialism is achieved by using the stupidity and gullibility of the masses to achieve it's goal. So many of the masses wrongly think that they will become part of the elitist group in a Socialized nation when in fact only a few will become wealthy and powerful. Even more ironically, in order to continue to feed the Socialist machine, the elite must constantly be thinned down in order for the masses to be able to pay for those who are still LEFT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    I cannot imagine living in a world where I am not equal to others that I can strive to be equal to or can help become equal to me.

    Socialism pretends to be communal in making everyone equal whether they deserve to be or not while in reality Socialism takes away the communal attitude that allows us to strive to better ourselves and help others make themselves better.

    In essence, Socialism is against the very nature of mankind and the way we were Created to function naturally. Socialism is nothing but a tool for elitists rise high above and control the "equally" poor masses. Ironically, Socialism is achieved by using the stupidity and gullibility of the masses to achieve it's goal. So many of the masses wrongly think that they will become part of the elitist group in a Socialized nation when in fact only a few will become wealthy and powerful. Even more ironically, in order to continue to feed the Socialist machine, the elite must constantly be thinned down in order for the masses to be able to pay for those who are still LEFT.
    Well said, I had this conversation with an employee about a week ago. He believes we have lost our sense of community more or less because government has not forced it upon us enough through higer taxes and more government programs.

    Strange view, given that our government has done nothing but grow and gain more control over the years while our sense of community, family and moral values have been in decline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cool-in-cayman View Post

    Strange view, given that our government has done nothing but grow and gain more control over the years while our sense of community, family and moral values have been in decline.
    That is a false analogy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    That is a false analogy.
    So you are saying that more or less government has no bearing on community, family or moral values? Or is it you don't like one side of the analogy which suggests that we were better off when we had less government.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    That is a false analogy.
    No it isn't, but you are.
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    many of these people are the same ones that expect CEO pay right out of school and not to have to perform any task for it!!!!
    The Food Stamp Program, administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, is proud to be distributing the greatest amount of free meals and stamps EVER.
    Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the U.S. Department of the Interior, asks us to "Please Do Not Feed the Animals". Their stated reason for this policy "... the animals become dependent on handouts and will not learn to take care of themselves."
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    Quote Originally Posted by pacnw View Post
    many of these people are the same ones that expect CEO pay right out of school and not to have to perform any task for it!!!!
    And it is government that is feeding this misinformation into their heads in order for unscrupulous politicians to be elected on the age old "chicken in every pot" style of campaign.
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    I think, sadly, many people equate "experience" with "skills". Not the same.

    Expect lower wages too for unskilled, as supply/demand will drive down the need to pay unskilled people more. Unskilled people need to become familiar with the term "minimum wage". How many people do we get used to seeing who have no apparent skills of any sort in a "job" position that looks pretty cushy and may pay fairly well? Of course, they are competing with illegal aliens, so it only gets worse as we go.

    Skilled workers are being bitten too, as the overall downturn in the economy is killing the demand for skilled labor.

    As HVAC guys, I think we are pretty lucky as an industry when it comes to jobs. That is why I decided to get into this field, for jobs, back in the Jimmy Carter days that was very much like what we have with Obama. Massive unemployment and the economy in the toilet. Rinse and Repeat, it is basically the same thing. But HVAC is pretty resilient for retaining jobs for skilled workers.
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    don't forget, these unemployment numbers are only for those actually collecting unemployment.

    There is AT LEAST another 5% to 7% of "employable" people that have either dropped off the unemployment rolls or have simply given up.

    I hear on the News that NObama has finally decided to "attack unemployment" and get people back to work?

    Is it me, or have I heard this BS for the last 24 months???

    his plan sounds suspiciously like FDR's plan from the 30's and 40's. NObama has decided to "rebuild roads" and upgrade the air traffic control system (which the FAA has been trying to do for 30 years)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmac00 View Post
    don't forget, these unemployment numbers are only for those actually collecting unemployment.
    That is not correct.
    http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm


    What do the unemployment insurance (UI) figures measure?
    The UI figures are not produced by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Statistics on insured unemployment in the United States are collected as a by-product of UI programs. Workers who lose their jobs and are covered by these programs typically file claims ("initial claims") that serve as notice that they are beginning a period of unemployment. Claimants who qualify for benefits are counted in the insured unemployment figures (as "continued claims"). Data on UI claims are maintained by the Employment and Training Administration, an agency of the U.S. Department of Labor, and are available on the Internet at: http://workforcesecurity.doleta.gov/unemploy/claims.asp.

    These data are not used to measure total unemployment because they exclude several important groups. To begin with, not all workers are covered by UI programs. For example, self-employed workers, unpaid family workers, workers in certain not-for-profit organizations, and several other small (primarily seasonal) worker categories are not covered. In addition, the insured unemployed exclude the following:

    Unemployed workers who have exhausted their benefits
    Unemployed workers who have not yet earned benefit rights (such as new entrants or reentrants to the labor force)
    Disqualified workers whose unemployment is considered to have resulted from their own actions rather than from economic conditions; for example, a worker discharged for misconduct on the job
    Otherwise eligible unemployed persons who do not file for benefits
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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    That is not correct.
    http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm


    What do the unemployment insurance (UI) figures measure?
    The UI figures are not produced by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Statistics on insured unemployment in the United States are collected as a by-product of UI programs. Workers who lose their jobs and are covered by these programs typically file claims ("initial claims") that serve as notice that they are beginning a period of unemployment. Claimants who qualify for benefits are counted in the insured unemployment figures (as "continued claims"). Data on UI claims are maintained by the Employment and Training Administration, an agency of the U.S. Department of Labor, and are available on the Internet at: http://workforcesecurity.doleta.gov/unemploy/claims.asp.

    These data are not used to measure total unemployment because they exclude several important groups. To begin with, not all workers are covered by UI programs. For example, self-employed workers, unpaid family workers, workers in certain not-for-profit organizations, and several other small (primarily seasonal) worker categories are not covered. In addition, the insured unemployed exclude the following:

    Unemployed workers who have exhausted their benefits
    Unemployed workers who have not yet earned benefit rights (such as new entrants or reentrants to the labor force)
    Disqualified workers whose unemployment is considered to have resulted from their own actions rather than from economic conditions; for example, a worker discharged for misconduct on the job
    Otherwise eligible unemployed persons who do not file for benefits
    While there are many ways to "measure" real unemployment data, the facts are that the 9.6% that the government owns up to is not the full figure. There are plenty of places available to find out some of the games the government plays to make unemployment seem less then it really is. Here are a few;

    Government is a disease...
    ...masquerading as its own cure…
    Ecclesiastes 10:2 NIV


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