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    us vs. us

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    Living proof, NObama doesn't care about the constitution or the citizens of this country
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    The 14th Amendment of the US Constitution reads, in part:

    "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

    So let's say a police officer stops me on the street, on suspicion of being an illegal alien (SB1070 says he can). I tell him that I'm a US citizen, and that he has no authority to detain me. He thinks I'm lying, so he arrests me "to establish my immigration status" (again, being in full compliance of the new law).

    By depriving an American citizen of his liberty, without due process of law, the police officer is in violation of the Constitution.
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    SB1070 says they can stop and ask your status. But thats not actually whats happening is it.

    The only time the police ask immigration status is during "other infractions" such as a speeding stop.

    On top of that, 1070 is nothing more than a Federal law that's all ready on the books.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmac00 View Post
    SB1070 says they can stop and ask your status. But thats not actually whats happening is it.
    The only time the police ask immigration status is during "other infractions" such as a speeding stop.

    On top of that, 1070 is nothing more than a Federal law that's all ready on the books.
    It is more than that. It gives authority to ask for "papers" and detain.

    "SB1070 says they can stop and ask your status. But thats not actually whats happening is it." It is the law that is in question along with how it will be implemented. Are you saying it is ok to have an unconstitutional law if it is not being enforced?

    Stop trying to shred the Constitution.
    "War is cruelty,and you cannot refine it." Sherman to the leadership of Atlanta prior to burning the city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    It is more than that. It gives authority to ask for "papers" and detain.

    "SB1070 says they can stop and ask your status. But thats not actually whats happening is it." It is the law that is in question along with how it will be implemented. Are you saying it is ok to have an unconstitutional law if it is not being enforced?

    Stop trying to shred the Constitution.
    in the video it says according to federal law (he cited the code) foreign nationals are required to have their id on them.

    I am a US citizen and I always have my ID on me, or it is in the truck or car, when I am pulled over I have to show my drivers license, when I go to a bank I have to show my ID, when I pull a permit, I have to show my contractors license and ID, when I write a check i have to show ID, when I vote I have to show ID, sometimes when I buy beer I have to show ID even though I am 45.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwalley View Post
    in the video it says according to federal law (he cited the code) foreign nationals are required to have their id on them.

    I am a US citizen and I always have my ID on me, or it is in the truck or car, when I am pulled over I have to show my drivers license, when I go to a bank I have to show my ID, when I pull a permit, I have to show my contractors license and ID, when I write a check i have to show ID, when I vote I have to show ID, sometimes when I buy beer I have to show ID even though I am 45.
    Citizens are not required to carry ID. The probability of citizens being detained is unavoidable and unconstitutional.
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    Romney campaign: "We're not going to let our campaign be ruled by fact-checkers,"

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwalley View Post
    in the video it says according to federal law (he cited the code) foreign nationals are required to have their id on them.

    I am a US citizen and I always have my ID on me, or it is in the truck or car, when I am pulled over I have to show my drivers license, when I go to a bank I have to show my ID, when I pull a permit, I have to show my contractors license and ID, when I write a check i have to show ID, when I vote I have to show ID, sometimes when I buy beer I have to show ID even though I am 45.
    Citizens are not required to carry ID. The probability of citizens being detained is unavoidable and unconstitutional.

    "It is more dangerous that even a guilty person should be punished without the forms of law than that he should escape." THOMAS JEFFERSON
    "War is cruelty,and you cannot refine it." Sherman to the leadership of Atlanta prior to burning the city.

    "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."
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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    It is more than that. It gives authority to ask for "papers" and detain.

    "SB1070 says they can stop and ask your status. But thats not actually whats happening is it." It is the law that is in question along with how it will be implemented. Are you saying it is ok to have an unconstitutional law if it is not being enforced?

    Stop trying to shred the Constitution.
    see post #6................the only clowns shredding the constitution is NObama and the Commicratics/socialists. The law is all ready FEDERAL LAW, you should probably move to Mexico, you would be much happier there
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmac00 View Post
    see post #6................the only clowns shredding the constitution is NObama and the Commicratics/socialists. The law is all ready FEDERAL LAW, you should probably move to Mexico, you would be much happier there
    No this Arizona law shreds the Constitution. It uses parts of federal law and adds to it genius. No I am staying right here and protecting the Constitution. This is just a suggestion of course. Maybe you ought to find some fascist haven and live there. It would be more in keeping with this view.
    "War is cruelty,and you cannot refine it." Sherman to the leadership of Atlanta prior to burning the city.

    "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."
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    Romney campaign: "We're not going to let our campaign be ruled by fact-checkers,"

    Lindsey Graham: “We’re not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term.”

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    The reason the Obama administration is against Arizona enforcing the fed govts own law is because his master plan is to follow the one world govt plan.
    Part of that is to make the USA, Canada and Mexico as one country.
    GW Bush (another big govt progressive) was for this as well.
    That involves shreding our constitution and giving us a constution that is closer to Venezuela.
    Of course that wouldn't happen until a total collapse of our economy which Obama would like to oversee in his present term.
    The overwhelming of our healthcare system (taxpayer funded) and social security administration with baby boomers, unemployment benefits for illegals, bailouts for large union orgs.,welfare and all other freebees that we pay for need to be collapsed along with our unsustainable debt before Obama can claim victory.
    That and the fact that many illegals bring in drugs to keep America stupid. Along with the colleges indoctrinating our youth with the liberal way of thinking.
    Also Obama wants amnesty so he can have 10 million more votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    No this Arizona law shreds the Constitution. It uses parts of federal law and adds to it genius. No I am staying right here and protecting the Constitution. This is just a suggestion of course. Maybe you ought to find some fascist haven and live there. It would be more in keeping with this view.

    really?????????? SPEAKING OF GENIUS http://openjurist.org/title-8/us-cod...fingerprinting

    SB1070...........this IS FEDERAL LAW

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Clwa...eature=related

    Hey, pageyjuan........go home
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmac00 View Post
    really?????????? SPEAKING OF GENIUS http://openjurist.org/title-8/us-cod...fingerprinting

    SB1070...........this IS FEDERAL LAW

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Clwa...eature=related

    Hey, pageyjuan........go home
    SB1070 is not federal law it goes beyond it. It is a no brainer the courts will knock it down. It will violate the 14 amendment as previously pointed out. But that never stopped a fascist.
    "War is cruelty,and you cannot refine it." Sherman to the leadership of Atlanta prior to burning the city.

    "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."
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    Romney campaign: "We're not going to let our campaign be ruled by fact-checkers,"

    Lindsey Graham: “We’re not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term.”

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