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  1. #14
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    My only question is if it's claimed that the explosives were looted, then how come nothing was ever noticed ??? With all of the satellite survellance, A.W.A.K.S., Global Hawks and other aerial observations from sorties of our air force and from ground troops and convoys, no-one ever saw a thing ???

    Or Maybe, Just Maybe Iraqis did loot it by one of the following methods :


    A typical 18 wheeler should be able to carry somewhere around 70,000 #'s. Let's see Ten 18 wheelers moving through the desert wouldn't be noticed by satellites or survellance ?

    A typical 2 axle truck should be able to carry somewhere around 26,000 #'s. Or 30 big flatbed heavy duty trucks. Very inconspicuous. :/

    A typical pickup truck can carry somewhere around 2,000 #'s. That would be about 380 trips or a long line of pickup trucks.

    Or maybe 100 #'s per looter. Um let's see ,,,, a looting party of about 7600 Iraqis. I think not.

    I digress.

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    This whole story stinks to high heaven.

    First, why would these explosives, which could possibly be used for nuclear triggering, be allowed to remain in the hands of Saddam? for building demolition? I don't think so.
    The IAEA dropped the ball and now lays the total blame on Bush.

    Second, no one really knows when these explosives actually disappeared, I'd be very cautious as to the media trying to tie dates here, lest we forget other so-called stories without the factual backing.
    Don't forget the IAEA is trying to cover thier tracks, tagging is not securing by any means.

    Third, why would the IAEA notify the Ameircan govt on 10/15 of this year?

    Forth, could these explosives be considered WMD's? and what else is missing?

    This is the very reason why Bush cannot trust the U.N. or thier agencies.
    I call this a distraction from the real issue of U.N. corruption.

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    Originally posted by bootlen
    Originally posted by motorboy1
    Originally posted by bb
    ^^^^^^^^ Now I would call that a Motorbreath thrashing sound !^^^^^^^^^^^
    See my last post...I think James got the thrashing.
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    Ya gotta do better than that.

    The place had a U.N. seal on it. That was one of the reasons they were told not to perform a search.

    Gee, if the place had a IAEA seal on it you would think that they would have secured the place from looters. Seeing as they didn't have orders to search or secure, it seems to me that somebody dropped the ball. And since the shrub got us into Iraqnam, he is the one that should be held accountable. I will hold him accountable on Nov 2.

    A vote for the shrub is a vote for more of the same...death and destruction because of incompetence.

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    motormouth you are pathetic.
    The IAEA seal means nothing, those UN officials are so corrupt they probably sold Saddam the labels. Also it would have taken over 160 semi trucks to move all those munitions. And you want everyone to believe our military just stood by and watched 160 semi trucks to haul all of it away? That stuff was long gone before we even invaded Iraq. The logic of the left is nearly nonexistent. You and royc can post all the fake news stories you want, it still doesn't make it true. John Kerry and his media support group stuck their foot in their mouths again on this one. Anyone with any common sense knows this is a B.S. story ginned up to try and sway voters who don't pay attention to reality.

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    Bill Cosby tells about the time while he and his brother Russell shared a bed. Cos went to the bathroom soon after going to bed and filled his mouth with water. When he cane back he "hummed" to his brother these words. "Mmmm-mmm (Russell), Mm mmmmm mmmm-mmmm (I have water)"

    Russell knew what Cos was saying and begged him not to spew the water on him. There was a big ruckus and Russall got soaked. Their dad heard the noise and "crashed" into their bedroom and yelled, "What's going on in here? Why are you wet Russell?"

    Cos interrupted and said, "It was a man...with a hose!"

    Mr. Cosby said, "Do you know what happens to people who lie? They go to hell and burn. Do you want to go to hell and burn?"

    Cos answered, "No, Dad. Please I don't want to go to hell and burn. Please!"

    Mr. Cosby then said, "Then tell me what happened."

    There was a pregnant silence. Then Cos said, "It was a man with a hose."


    Motor reminds me of that story. He'd rather burn in hell than admit a truth.
    No reserve. No retreat. No regrets.

    For those who have fought for it, freedom has a sweetness the protected will never know.

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    Originally posted by motorboy1
    Originally posted by bootlen
    Originally posted by motorboy1
    Originally posted by bb
    ^^^^^^^^ Now I would call that a Motorbreath thrashing sound !^^^^^^^^^^^
    See my last post...I think James got the thrashing.
    ================================================== ==========

    Ya gotta do better than that.

    The place had a U.N. seal on it. That was one of the reasons they were told not to perform a search.

    Gee, if the place had a IAEA seal on it you would think that they would have secured the place from looters. Seeing as they didn't have orders to search or secure, it seems to me that somebody dropped the ball. And since the shrub got us into Iraqnam, he is the one that should be held accountable. I will hold him accountable on Nov 2.

    A vote for the shrub is a vote for more of the same...death and destruction because of incompetence.

    Now why would you respond to this and totally bypass my post, which by the way is just before yours and with the time lapse of your posting gives you ample time to consider an answer.

    Why was Saddam allowed to have such a large and destructive arsenal?
    And how the hell does tagging this cache secure it from being moved?

    The U.N. dropped the ball here.


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    Motorboy,

    your story, the one you oh so much want to believe in is starting to show holes. Time will show that corruption is rampant in the U.N. and amongst our so-called allies.


    http://www.abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=204304&page=1

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/natio...2637-6257r.htm

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    Motormouth...do us all a favor and refrain from watching tv, reading newspapers or having any contact with the media for a week or so...we need a break from your rantings...

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    Gee, I guess I was right!


    Video Suggests Explosives Disappeared After U.S. Took Control

    Evidence Indicates U.S. Military Opened Al-Qaqaa Bunkers, Left Them Unguarded
    Oct. 28, 2004 - The strongest evidence to date indicates that conventional explosives missing from Iraq's Al-Qaqaa installation disappeared after the United States had taken control of Iraq.

    Barrels inside the Al-Qaqaa facility appear on videotape shot by ABC television affiliate KSTP of St. Paul, Minn., which had a crew embedded with the 101st Airborne Division when it passed through Al-Qaqaa on April 18, 2003 -- nine days after Baghdad fell.

    Experts who have studied the images say the barrels on the tape contain the high explosive HMX, and the universal markings on the barrels are clear that these are highly dangerous explosives.

    "I talked to a former inspector who's a colleague of mine, and he confirmed that, indeed, these pictures look just like what he remembers seeing inside those bunkers," said David Albright, president of the Institute for Science and International Security in Washington.

    The barrels were found inside sealed bunkers, which American soldiers are seen on the videotape cutting through. Inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency sealed the bunkers where the explosives were kept just before the war began.

    "The seal's critical," Albright said. "The fact that there's a photo of what looks like an IAEA seal means that what's behind those doors is HMX. They only sealed bunkers that had HMX in them."

    After the bunkers were opened, the 101st was not ordered to secure the facility. A senior officer told ABC News the division would not have had nearly enough soldiers to do so.

    It remains unclear how much HMX was at the facility, but what does seem clear is that the U.S. military opened the bunkers at Al-Qaqaa and left them unguarded. Since then, the material has disappeared

    Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita said it's not clear what the photos indicate.

    "We know there were other units in the area who acknowledged finding explosives," he said. "Some Explosive Ordnance Destruction units have a recollection that some high explosives in the area were taken out of there."

    DiRita said the Pentagon is trying to contact the units of the 101st Airborne Division that may have been involved in the opening of these bunkers to get a better sense of what happened.


    Image Released
    Late today, the Pentagon released a satellite image of Al-Qaqaa bunkers taken March 17, 2003, that shows the presence of two heavy-lift tractor trailers outside of a bunker. The Pentagon is uncertain about whether the specific bunker where the trucks are located actually contained explosives that are now missing.

    Their intent in releasing the image is to demonstrate that on the same day that the IAEA inspectors left Iraq, Saddam Hussein's regime was in control of the facility, countering the impression that this was a "hermetically sealed" location and showing that access was available to non-U.N. personnel.

    Not released today were images taken March 14, 2003, and March 20, 2003, that show no vehicles on the premises. There also was an image from April 1, 2003, that showed a large number of trucks at the nearby Iskandariyah airfield. Officials acknowledged they have no idea what those trucks were there for.

    It is highly unusual for the Pentagon to release spy satellite imagery. Officials said today's decision was made with the full agreement of the intelligence community and that the White House did not have to approve the release.

    ABC News' Martha Raddatz filed this report for World News Tonight. Luis Martinez contributed to this report.

    Copyright © 2004 ABC News Internet Ventures


    Ala James, "Read it and weep".

    Bush and Co. What a lying mess!

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