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    The Futility Of
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    By Hugh Joseph
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    10-18-4

    It should be apparent to all sane persons that the term "exercise in futility" was coined with the US system of voting in Presidents in mind. One does not need to be a genius to understand this simple fact. Were it not for the dangerous situation that has been created by our greedy politicos and their corporate handlers, the entire thing would be laughable.

    Imagine, if you will, that it is the year 1929. You live in a small town in the Deep South. Elections for local Sheriff are coming up and there are two contenders for the job. Both are full-fledged, card-carrying members of the KKK with numerous cross burnings, lynchings and beatings of blacks under their belt. Both are fully approved by the wealthy, white ruling class. It's just a matter of how many votes each candidate manages to get. Regardless of who wins, the KKK wins. Nothing changes! Consider that there are possibly only 600 members of the secretive Skull and Bones alive in the US. What are the odds that out of a population of some 260 million supposedly thoughtful Americans, the main contenders for the top governmental spot will be Bonesmen? Such an outcome would be most unlikely without massive, behind the scenes, financial manipulation to assure that only these two men, Bush and Kerry are kept before the public as the only two choices worth considering.

    If there is any difference between these two candidates it is merely one of style. Nothing will change with the election/selection of either one of them. With Bush, the US suffered terrifying and destructive body blows that left the population reeling and the country going down for the count. There is nothing that Kerry proposes to do, or has the will and the personal power to do, that will change the direction that Bush has set us and the world on. Most of those who are promoting Kerry are doing so on the basis of hope. By embracing what they see as the "lesser of two weevils", they are hoping that, somehow, Kerry, will save our butts. This is the kind of vain hope that springs eternal in the heart of deluded humans.

    I recently attended a lecture by Chalmers Johnson, author of "Blowback" and "Sorrows of Empire". While he endorses Kerry, he is quick to point out that he is not very optimistic about the future, and that only a grassroots uprising will change things. Yet, the majority of Americans continue to believe in the election process. How naive! It is the very same election process that got us into this mess! So, once and for all, here is why the entire election system is a massive fraud and will not work.

    Think 2000! Hundreds of thousands of voters in Florida were disenfranchised, most of them Democrats. Factions loyal to the Republicans were placed in charge of the voting. A huge mess ensued. The only way to have sorted out the problems would have been to do an extensive manual recount. If that was not possible, the only fair thing would have been to revote after reinstating those disenfranchised and eliminating the phony overseas ballots, etc. We all know what happened. The recount was stopped when it appeared that Bush was going to lose. Not only that, but the Supreme Court of the land weighed in on behalf of the Republican candidate and selected him as President, even when it was obvious that he had lost! To make matters worse the Democratic candidate refused to demand a recount and acquiesced to the selection of the President by Judges friendly to Bush the Senior, clearly betraying those who voted for him.

    With this in mind, my questions to those who still belive their vote counts are, "What makes you think that contingencies are not already in place that will totally nullify your vote? How do you know that your vote that counts will really be counted? How do you know that, should another "Florida debacle" occur again, that our Judges will not get involved once more and decide who should be President?

    The American people and the entire so-called democratic process were betrayed in 2000. We are going into 2004 with the same system. No one has been held liable and accountable for the debacle in Florida. We have lived 4 years with a President who is not. He is still being treated as President and incumbent. Kerry is running against an opponent who lost the last elections based on the popular vote! This is utterly ridiculous. In addition, we hear nothing of the other candidates whose platform for the country would be a lot better than anything being offered by the Bush-Kerry ticket. How many Americans have heard of the Constitution Party and its platform? If you listen carefully you will hear the Founding Fathers groaning in their graves.

    To see the value of our election process, we need only look back on the last 4, or 5 elections or so, and try to understand how America improved by installing this or that politico in the White House. As Professor Quigley would have put it, we "kicked one bastard out" only to replace him with another, is all we did. We are where we are precisely because we were led here by the "heads" we supposedly elected. It is said that we always get what we deserve. If that is true, then, sadly, Americans got, these past 4 years what they deserved. Some may want to change things and get something different, but it remains to be seen what it is that we now deserve, and what we are to suffer these next 4 years. Based on our recent history and it burdensome and terrifying karmic implications, it's not looking very good.

    In fact, it looks very, very bad.


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    To all you dems/libs...don't vote.
    No reserve. No retreat. No regrets.

    For those who have fought for it, freedom has a sweetness the protected will never know.

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    Sorry Bootlen, P-Ditty still has more pull. I think maybe you should try posting that on MTV's site to do any good with it. The majority of the folks here already share your feelings, speak to the teens of NYC, LA, Miami, etc. where Electoral votes count. Don't just waste it all on us.

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    Originally posted by newcooler
    Sorry Bootlen, P-Ditty still has more pull. I think maybe you should try posting that on MTV's site to do any good with it. The majority of the folks here already share your feelings, speak to the teens of NYC, LA, Miami, etc. where Electoral votes count. Don't just waste it all on us.
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    I hear you, newcooler. You have to live in the big city to count. I hear exactly what YOU are saying. Loud and clear.










    Now go get in touch with reality.
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    It's not just ME. Think back to 1992 when MTV did the whole Rock the Vote campaign on college campuses. P-Ditty is doing this in the ghetto. As easy as it would have been this was not a personal attack on you in any way. As far as reality goes, c'mon now. Be honest, you leave doors unlocked and keys in the van ignition at night right? Small town, everybody waves, honest folks right? Reality is not that. Realities differ. Somebody may break into my house because it doesn't pay enough to work. That's a reality. I had over $4500.00 worth of equipment stolen from my property once is a reality. Fear the ghetto vote is what I was trying to say(read first post again). It is not the voice of the proud country working class people fought so hard to keep. I actually agree with some of your views at times, someday I too will move to a small town and smile upon it's majesty while shaling my fist at the city-folk.

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    So how do you address it? Pay everybody more hoping they won't steal from you? Do you really think they steal because they don't make enough to feed their family? The largest contributor to theft crimes is drug abuse. That takes place in all communities. In small communities, they steal from mom and dad. In metro communities, they steal from Harry next door.

    Higher wages won't solve that problem.
    No reserve. No retreat. No regrets.

    For those who have fought for it, freedom has a sweetness the protected will never know.

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    Legalization would.

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    Legalization is not the key. Potheads don't steal from my property, crackheads do. My minimum wage thing is in another thread and we really got to get our own private chat going on these things boot(we're argueing on about 3 different threads now). I would love to debate with ya, it's really not of anger or spite(most of the time). this is too time consuming. Bottom line: welfare reform needed, drugs are bad, work damnit, pay your fair share into the system, stand tall soldier, help the youth, and lastly(should've been first) spend time with your family. That should cover the next few for me bootlen, I got stuff to do.

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    Originally posted by acmanko
    Legalization would.
    Legalize Crack ?

    Put down your crack pipe.

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    Originally posted by newcooler
    Legalization is not the key. Potheads don't steal from my property, crackheads do. My minimum wage thing is in another thread and we really got to get our own private chat going on these things boot(we're argueing on about 3 different threads now). I would love to debate with ya, it's really not of anger or spite(most of the time). this is too time consuming. Bottom line: welfare reform needed, drugs are bad, work damnit, pay your fair share into the system, stand tall soldier, help the youth, and lastly(should've been first) spend time with your family. That should cover the next few for me bootlen, I got stuff to do.
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    Maybe we're not that far apart.

    Later, "dude".
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    For those who have fought for it, freedom has a sweetness the protected will never know.

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    legalize it all, most people don't steal for fun, they steal for money.

    let the drugs be legal and cheap.
    then dealers won't be making much money,
    let the free market end the criminal gangs like the war on drugs can't and won't ever.

    prohibition makes the black market thrive.there may always be a black market, but the billions/year in incentives won't be there.

    if you want a never ending drug oversupply, never stop prohibition.

    legalization is working in countries that are implementing it. and when they selectively pick some drugs over others; the blackmarketeers just change merchandise till they get what makes them money.

    and its not the kids on the street that are importing that cocaine. it is the upper eschelons of society. from presidents to the big banks that make billions from laundering that blackmarket economy.

    that is an idea, legalization.
    doing what we are doing(war on drugs), is not only not working, it is making things worse.the cure is worse than the disease.

    and an interesting note is that both of these candidates and the skull and bones fraternity, have connections to the drug trade.


    back when william huntington Russel founded the secret society at yale in 1832, his family firm,(Russell&co.),was the largest american opium smuggler.working with the scottish firm,(Jardine&Matheson) the worlds largest opium smuggler.

    the "china trade" was a lucritive endeavor that many of the "blue-blood" families took part in.
    including the Forbes'.of john Forbes Kerry.
    you guys remember "the opium war", when western traders were pushing opium upon the chinese. and bringing it home too.

    or people like Eugene stetson(skull&bones 1934),asst.manager at brown bros.-harriman helped organize the"H S Richardson foundation"1954.which participated in the MK-ULTRA operation, when the cia was experimenting with truth syrums and mind control, which also included the "dosing"of american citizens and the kidnapping of canadian children for experiments.in the 50's,60's'and 70's.

    they (richardson foundation)also helped fund and coordinate the supplying of the contra's in the 80's,which is when George HW bush was connected with people like noriega and barry seal and the cia and "air america"leftovers, that were flying hundreds of tons of cocaine into Mena, arkansas(while clinton was gov.) and supplying the crips and the bloods and, "cokeland" of l.a.,and the rest of the united states.in the eighties.the current pres even owned a plane that belonged to barry seal.as well as GHW bush's "ZApATA oil co.", oil platforms being used as landing points for drug runners.

    drugs.an example of how far from the truth is the propaganda of our media/political establishments.

    read some of the books by

    Micheal levine

    former deep-undercover agent with the DEA.
    he was even awarded a medal by GHW bush himself.

    another person that wants to really stop the drug trade, but realizes that the prohibition is the fuel that keeps it beyond being able to be stopped. the incentives are too great.

    and he realized and found out the biggest fishes in the world were being "protected" by our gov't and the cia.

    like the deal the CIA and the dept. of justice had between 1982 and 1995, that allowed non-contract agents to "smuggle"drugs.as was stated in the cia inspector generals,FRederic Hitz,report;oct 10,1998.

    two of those they were dealing with were the medelin and the cali cartels.

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    About making some drugs legal

    Medical marijuania should be legalized. There is documented proof that it does have credible uses for relief of pain of MS and other auto-immune diseases. Also pot should legalized and heavily taxed or alcohol and tobacco need to be made illegal.

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    How important is one Vote?

    In 1776, one vote gave America the English Language instead of German.


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    In 1845, one vote brought Texas into the Union.


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    In 1868, one vote saved President Andrew Johnson from impeachment.


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    In 1876, one vote gave Rutherford B. Hayes the Presidency of the U.S.


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    In 1923, one vote gave Adolph Hitler leadership of the Nazi Party.


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    In 1941, one vote saved Selective Service, just weeks before Pearl Harbor was attacked.


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    In 1966, a race for Democratic Committeewoman for Pct. 31 in Escambia County, Fl. was tied; lots were drawn to determine the winner.


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    In 1967, one vote gave Escambia County, Fl. an elected Superintendent of Schools, instead of appointed.


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    In 2000, The difference in the total vote in the state of Florida in the Presidential race between George W. Bush and Al Gore was less than one-half of one percent. A recount was mandated by the Secretary of State. George W. Bush received the electoral votes from Florida. He won the election by 1 electoral vote; 270 were needed and he received 271.

    Be a true American; Register and Vote


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