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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    Reagan was a two term govenor of California and he had 2 failed bids for president before he was elected in 1980. Palin did not even finish her term as govenor of Alaska. It is important to note the two states being talked about.

    And no I never said Palin was not experienced enough. As I said in a previous post on this thread I think she is not qualified. Remember it took her 6 years and 5 schools to get her broadcasting degree.

    Remember just keep repeating lies long enough and they will be accepted as facts.
    Let's make sure the record is correct so far:

    1) YOU never said that Palin was inexperienced. However, every liberal talking head and blogger has done just that. They said the same thing about Reagan, whether that is accurate is a separate issue. They referred to him as "Ronald Reagan, the actor."

    2) Palin is a "qualified" is as any American is qualified. Some folks want a standard of government service to confer the mantle of "qualification," but I believe that standard is misplaced, and is counter-intuitive to the type of leadership that is needed: a) common sense and b) a love of the values and principles upon which America was founded. Clearly, she excels in those areas, according to those who are not reporters, news editors, and afternoon TV hosts.

    I agree that if a lie is repeated often enough, if can take on the appearance of truth. That is why an entire alternative political movement is afoot in America, in order to stop the lying and restore honor to America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    Let's make sure the record is correct so far:

    1) YOU never said that Palin was inexperienced. However, every liberal talking head and blogger has done just that. They said the same thing about reagan, whether that is accurate is a separate issue. The referred to him as "Ronald Reagan, the actor."

    2) Palin is a "qualified" is as any American is qualified. Some folks want a standard of government service to confer the mantle of "qualification," but I believe that standard is misplaced, and is counter-intuitive to the type of leadership that is needed: a) common sense and b) a love of the values and principles upon which America was founded. Clearly, she excels in those areas, according to those who are not reporters, news editors, and afternoon TV hosts.

    I agree that if a lie is repeated often enough, if can take on the appearance of truth. That is why an entire alternative political movement is afoot in America, in order to stop the lying and restore honor to America.
    Maybe I am wrong. She is qualified, she is old enough and was born in the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    Maybe I am wrong. She is qualified, she is old enough and was born in the US.

    Don't forget: common sense, and a love for the values and principles of America.

    Regardless, I do not see her vying for a spot at the top of the ticket. I predict that will go to someone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    Don't forget: common sense, and a love for the values and principles of America.

    Regardless, I do not see her vying for a spot at the top of the ticket. I predict that will go to someone else.
    I did not forget, I don't agree with that. According to the constitution she is qualified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinpadalino View Post
    You dont like when he talks about God? Thats the best part. How he ties it all together. No one else does that.
    You do realize Beck is a Mormon.

    I am working off the top of my head and it has been a long time since I took a comparative religion course in college.

    Mormons believe God is a human being composed of flesh and bones who ascended to the heavens because of all the great deeds he performed on Earth. Mormons also believe there are many Gods. They also believe Jesus (Jehovah) and Lucifer (Satan) are brothers. It has something to do with God is the father of all pre-existent spirits. Jesus is the son of God and God is the father of all other spirits. that makes all the spirits brothers and sisters.

    My point is when Beck utters the word God he is not speaking of the Christian God that Christians around the world worship. He is speaking of the Mormon God. Beck is, after all, a Mormon.

    I posted a picture from Becks three hour revival meeting. I have to admit I have not read the Consitution either. ;>)

    Man, Beck sure looks like Micheal Douglas' character in the movie "Falling Down"
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    Quote Originally Posted by mckcd View Post
    I don't generally take either the liberal or the conservative side in political arguments. However, any leader who puts their "blind" faith in some made up man in the sky scares me no matter what their religion or political affiliation.

    IMO religion was created by men in power in order to maintain that power. They are still succeeding!

    To state that the founding fathers were christian is not true. In fact this country was founded by people wanting to escape religious oppression. Kings and dictators are the ones who claim to have God's authority.

    You may find the various quotes from our founding fathers denouncing christianity and the bible interesting.

    Also, have your ever read the Treaty of Tripoli?

    I won't quote them here and waste your time because experience and growing up in a very religious mormon family has taught me that the religious can rationalize and justify anything.

    BTW, I used to listen to Beck until I heard him say that the only people he trusts are god and the prophet of the mormon church.
    Well stated, perhaps you can better explain what Mormons beliefs are than my miserable attempt above.

    You are quit right about the founding fathers. Their religious beliefs were widely varied. I believe that is why the First amendment was the most important amendment to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wgrr View Post
    You do realize Beck is a Mormon.

    I am working off the top of my head and it has been a long time since I took a comparative religion course in college.

    Mormons believe God is a human being composed of flesh and bones who ascended to the heavens because of all the great deeds he performed on Earth. Mormons also believe there are many Gods. They also believe Jesus (Jehovah) and Lucifer (Satan) are brothers. It has something to do with God is the father of all pre-existent spirits. Jesus is the son of God and God is the father of all other spirits. that makes all the spirits brothers and sisters.

    My point is when Beck utters the word God he is not speaking of the Christian God that Christians around the world worship. He is speaking of the Mormon God. Beck is, after all, a Mormon.

    I posted a picture from Becks three hour revival meeting. I have to admit I have not read the Consitution either. ;>)

    Man, Beck sure looks like Micheal Douglas' character in the movie "Falling Down"
    It seems to me that this is a precursor to the "Christian" right accepting Romney as a Christian if that is possible. Which is ironic because they refuse to accept president Obama as a Christian.
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    Mormons do believe that God is flesh and blood and that we are all his children as well as lucifer and jesus. They believe that god went through a test on another planet, the same that we are supposedly going through now on earth. They believe in resurrection at the second coming of christ and that there are 3 different heavens. The most righteous will be exalted in the highest level where men will have many wives and the opportunity to become gods themselves. They also believe that it is their duty to teach everyone this and pitty those who are not faithful.

    It is my opinion that, had the Deist founding fathers lived in our time, many of them would be atheist. I also think that all the god references in government were added by religious zealots long after the founding fathers were gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joey791 View Post
    I am, of course I'm independent now-Go Constitutional party-all Palin is is Obama in a dress with a different party.

    That right there is the stupidest thing I have ever read on this site so far. Course I've only been here 10 years....... but holeeeey chripes! Obummer and Palin are a fundamentally different as it gets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    It seems to me that this is a precursor to the "Christian" right accepting Romney as a Christian if that is possible. Which is ironic because they refuse to accept president Obama as a Christian.
    Once a thread gets moved to ARP, that's usually when I stop taking part, but you raised something important, albeit inadvertently.

    How does one determine if someone is a Christian?

    They follow the teaching of the Christian bible, which includes: confessing with your mouth and believing in your heart, the words of Acts 4:12 which says there is "no other name," (that would leave out Allah), and the great Commission of Matthew 28. Of course, that is just for "starters," but I want to keep this post simple and easy to understand.

    Obama gives NO indication of these beliefs, particularly as he often cites "the Holy Quo-ran." A Christian could not regard the Quo-ran as "holy." He does not "confess with his mouth," as one of the evidences given in the Bible of Christian belief.

    The next question is even more important. How does one determine if someone is a Muslim? You have to use the Quo-ran to do that. It teaches that if your father is a MUslim, then YOU are a Muslim. If you reject Islam, and you must do so publicly, then you can be a former Muslim, and that puts you on the Al Queda hit list, because they want to kill all infidels, and that would make you an infidel.

    So, what to we hear from Obama? A repudiation of Islam? No.

    A rejection of Allah, or a rejection of the Quo-ran as "holy?" No.

    A rejection of the religion of his father, publicly? No.

    So, is Obama a Muslim, or a Christian? The two texts tell us clearly that he is not a Christian, and that he must be a Muslim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    Once a thread gets moved to ARP, that's usually when I stop taking part, but you raised something important, albeit inadvertently.

    How does one determine if someone is a Christian?

    They follow the teaching of the Christian bible, which includes: confessing with your mouth and believing in your heart, the words of Acts 4:12 which says there is "no other name," (that would leave out Allah), and the great Commission of Matthew 28. Of course, that is just for "starters," but I want to keep this post simple and easy to understand.

    Obama gives NO indication of these beliefs, particularly as he often cites "the Holy Quo-ran." A Christian could not regard the Quo-ran as "holy." He does not "confess with his mouth," as one of the evidences given in the Bible of Christian belief.

    The next question is even more important. How does one determine if someone is a Muslim? You have to use the Quo-ran to do that. It teaches that if your father is a MUslim, then YOU are a Muslim. If you reject Islam, and you must do so publicly, then you can be a former Muslim, and that puts you on the Al Queda hit list, because they want to kill all infidels, and that would make you an infidel.

    So, what to we hear from Obama? A repudiation of Islam? No.

    A rejection of Allah, or a rejection of the Quo-ran as "holy?" No.

    A rejection of the religion of his father, publicly? No.

    So, is Obama a Muslim, or a Christian? The two texts tell us clearly that he is not a Christian, and that he must be a Muslim.
    LOL. A bigger load of crap I gave not seen.

    I wasn't saying Mormon's weren't Christian. I was wondering what the "Christian" right would think. But by your own definition they are not.

    YOUR QUOTE
    "How does one determine if someone is a Christian?
    They follow the teaching of the Christian bible,"

    Since they worship the Book of Mormon that seems to say they are not.

    Using your logic, if a Jewish woman married a Muslim man that child would belong to both faith's.
    Thanks for dumbing it down.
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    I personally don't care what the mormons believe.
    If it neither breaks my bone nor picks my pocket why should I care?
    I do think their beliefs about Lucifer being Jesus' brother is wacky. And all the rest too.
    But I do believe in the things he and others say about limited govt., in states rights without the fed govts interference.
    As Reagan said "vote with your feet". If your state is becoming tyranical move to another state. The tyranical, overtaxing, overspending ones will fail.
    Then they will have to change their ways and learn from their mistakes.
    But if the fed govt controls everything, where can you move to?
    This is the kinds of things Beck talks about. I have never heard him say anything in the particulars of his religeon.
    He does emphasize that we should be praying to God because this country is on the edge with all its problems.
    How much longer can we maintain a $13 trillion deficit and climbing with huge interest everyday.
    And the progressive congress keeps spending with borrowed money from our children and grandchildren.
    Someones going to have to pay it back.
    This is my personal belief....What is to stop the fed in some future time to come in and confiscate all your property and everything you will ever earn with the power of the IRS (which Obama only wants to increase in size due to "health care legislation") Then you will be the slave and they the master.
    By that time you will have given up all your liberties because our congress will have given all power to the executive branch which they are doing now one piece of legislation at a time. Thats why they call themselves progressive.
    Progressively changing our country. "Fundamentally transforming America" as Obama calls it. And "Change you can believe in"
    Its only going to get worse unless REAL people, not liberal dems or reps endorsed by this or that b.s. $$$$$$ organization gets involved.
    If someone in your district does, who is not beholden to the powers that be and believes what you do about limited govt, then throw a few $$ their way

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    Quote Originally Posted by spotts View Post
    That right there is the stupidest thing I have ever read on this site so far. Course I've only been here 10 years....... but holeeeey chripes! Obummer and Palin are a fundamentally different as it gets.
    Thanks spotts for calling me stupid, unfortunately if you were smart enough to continue reading through this thread you can see when timebuilder asked for a reference I gave it to him.

    Yeah I was busy and my statement was short. Did I say they were fundamentally the same. NO. Did I say they were racially the same. NO. Did I say they looked the same. NO. Did I say how they were the same in any way shape or form in that post. NO.

    But thanks spotts, your reply to my post is now the STUPIDEST one I have ever seen.

    You know I used to respect you til you showed how much of an ass you can be, especially when you decide to infer on other people's statements.
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