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    Pagey,

    One little additional tidbit of fact to disprove your theory the founders did not intend to have God associated with anything. Can you tell us why the Bible was the VERY FIRST BOOK the founders had rolling off the printing presses after they won their independence from England, which was used to teach kids how to read, to teach kids Judeo-Christian morals, and how to live their lives, again, if they did not want Christian values to be the basis of this country and our government?

    Point: If you come back with a VAGUE answer, you will have lost this debate. FACTS only to disprove this. Nothing but facts sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    You are confusing your words "no government exoerience" with being qualified. I look forward to watching you redefine the english language to suit your needs.
    Let me refresh your memory.

    I do not believe that you have to have a lot of government experience to be President. In fact, I believe you can have NO government experience.

    Less than Washington.

    Less than Lincoln.

    Less than Palin.

    What you need are the following:

    average intelligence, common sense, and a love for the values and principles upon which this nation was founded.

    Easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    Talk about low standards.
    "Low standards" would be putting a career politician in the White House, a person who is "experienced" at dissemblance, obfuscation, and outright lying to achieve their agenda.

    I can think of no "lower" standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    I am curious of your list of best presidents that you are speaking of.
    Here is a list of ALL of the Presidents.

    Many of the Presidents listed here as "lawyers" were also farmers, but this wiki entry tends to regard "lawyer" as the more important occupation, a mistake our society often makes.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._by_occupation

    You can decide for yourself who is "best," as I am certain your choices would not be the same as my own.
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    It would appear to me that Mr PJ worships the same intellectual god he does not seem to have much of a relationship with...

    One should study history with an attitude to learn... not an attitude to use it to prove one's pre-conceived notions. The former is a wise man, the latter is a fool... who while he thinks he is smart... others know better by his actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    It would appear to me that Mr PJ worships the same intellectual god he does not seem to have much of a relationship with...

    One should study history with an attitude to learn... not an attitude to use it to prove one's pre-conceived notions. The former is a wise man, the latter is a fool... who while he thinks he is smart... others know better by his actions.
    My fortune cookie says the same thing.
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    This guy reminds me of Geer... Kinda like wrestling with a pig... soon one realizes the pig would rather be a pig in the mud than swallow his pride and learn something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    Here is a list of ALL of the Presidents.

    Many of the Presidents listed here as "lawyers" were also farmers, but this wiki entry tends to regard "lawyer" as the more important occupation, a mistake our society often makes.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._by_occupation

    You can decide for yourself who is "best," as I am certain your choices would not be the same as my own.
    I am certain our choices would be different also. The point was to find your choices with no government experience as you were claiming. But we both know you were only trying to justify a Palin candidacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5 star View Post
    Take your medicine like a good little brainwashed Liberal who hates America.


    Thomas Paine on "The Study of God"
    Delivered in Paris on January 16, 1797, in a
    Discourse to the Society of Theophilanthropists
    Thomas Paine was an interesting choice. Especially given his following quotes.

    In his two part The Age of Reason, the American revolutionary Thomas Paine, wrote, "The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion. Not anything can be studied as a science, without our being in possession of the principles upon which it is founded; and as this is the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing."About religion, The Age of Reason by Thomas Paine says:

    I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.
    All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
    There are dozons more by Thomas Paine this should suffice as far as he is concerned.

    Treaty of Tripoli 1797. Written under George Washington, read aloud in the senate, passed unamimously and signed by John Adams.

    "Article 11. As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,--as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,--and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries" .

    John Jay is another interesting one to quote since he decided to retire from Congress rather than sign the Declaration of Independence.

    Thomas Jefferson is another interesting one you use, here are some of his quotes.
    1) "I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."
    2)" History,I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose."
    3) "In every country and every age the priest has been hostile to Liberty"
    4) "The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
    5)'It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there 20 Gods or no God"
    6)'Question with boldness even the existance of God:Because, if there be one,he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear."
    7) Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions or property in geometrical progression as they rise.

    Patrick Henry is a curious one as well. He boycotted the Constitutional Convention because as he put it "I smell a rat."

    Also interesting is the fact that many delegates did not sign the Constitution because God and Jesus were left out. So that means they were left out purposely.

    Interesting you quote a few "signers." Do you want me to tell you what the authors say? (Jefferson is already represented. I did not even start with Madison yet.)

    Bottom line is that because of the Constitution we are all free to worship or not worship as we please. That is what the Constitution says about religion and what our founding father's agreed upon no more no less.

    Article 6 of the Constitution
    No religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
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    I heard the rally drew from 87,000 CBS Reporting to 500,000 Beck est.

    Sara Palin will never run for political office she will make millions on the political cricut just like Gore did and still does.
    If common sense is so common how come so few of us have it!

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    I heard the rally drew from 87,000 CBS Reporting to 500,000 Beck est.

    Sara Palin will never run for political office she will make millions on the political cricut just like Gore did and still does.
    There is no comparison between Gore and Palin.
    Gore volunteers to serve in Nam, does his duty, takes up politics stressing how bad the environment is getting and we need to do something about it. he did this years ago before it was the thing to do. He serves in Congress for years, becomes VP and runs for pres actually getting more popular votes than Bush.

    He still works to better the environment and is known world wide by acclaimed scientist and international leaders.

    Palin..............some dimwit from Alaska riding the popularity circuit of a bunch of old tea baggers who yearn for the days of yore.
    Days where if you were a well off white guy, things were ok.
    If you weren't, too bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diceman View Post
    There is no comparison between Gore and Palin.
    Gore volunteers to serve in Nam, does his duty, takes up politics stressing how bad the environment is getting and we need to do something about it. he did this years ago before it was the thing to do. He serves in Congress for years, becomes VP and runs for pres actually getting more popular votes than Bush.

    He still works to better the environment and is known world wide by acclaimed scientist and international leaders.

    Palin..............some dimwit from Alaska riding the popularity circuit of a bunch of old tea baggers who yearn for the days of yore.
    Days where if you were a well off white guy, things were ok.
    If you weren't, too bad.
    Tea baggers?
    TEA Stands for taxed enough already. If you like paying taxes so much the govt. will gladly accept more of your money.
    Gore is just a front man for a scam to take all the rest of our money to distribute to the rest of the world via Cap and trade if it ever passes. If it doesn't, now the EPA has the authority to stop you from breathing if it chooses because Co2 is considered a pollutant.
    Where do you think all this will lead to if the govt. thinks there are too many people on the planet? Especially if many are in poverty due to poor policies by govts that are led down the socialists road.
    You'd think people would learn from their mistakes. But when the progressives are in charge of our school systems then they can write history to make it seem like capitalism is the wrong road. When in fact the socialist road that we are traveling down is going to lead to a dictatorship and kings. The very thing we tried so hard to escape from when our people declared independence from King George of England 234 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    I am certain our choices would be different also. The point was to find your choices with no government experience as you were claiming. But we both know you were only trying to justify a Palin candidacy.
    No, when I think of a non-politician who was a governor and a great President, I'm thinking Reagan, not Palin.

    Do you feel that a Paling candidacy must in some way be "justified?" I find that fascinating, since the only "justification" I can find for an Obama candidacy was to eb able to say that we have a black (well, partially) President.

    As I look back on the speech by Dr. King that was given when I was a young man, I have to believe that we are correct in judging Obama "by the content of his character," and by that judgment, he was not qualified to be our President.

    Unless racial politics are a justification, and I don't believe that is true.

    Oh, one more thing. Most of the Presidents on that list were indeed farmers first, and lawyers second, and only a few were career politicians, so I stand by my assertion.

    That's two strikes. One more, and you're out.
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