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    Quote Originally Posted by joey791 View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

    If you check both sites you will see that they both have about 14 years experience, neither one experienced enough to be President of the United States, neither one worthy to be President except for the powers behind the scene wanting them in that arena. There are alot better options out there including Ron Paul.
    Okay, let's look at this.

    Experience.

    Most of our best Presidents have had not previous government experience. They were by far, mostly farmers. Washington had military experience, as did a few others. Lincoln was a lawyer, who was defeated in runs for office many times.

    So what is the yardstick to measure a potential leader of the United States?

    Ready?

    It is a combination of average intellect, common sense, and a love for the principles and values on which our nation was built.

    That's it.

    It is also the thing that disqualifies President Obama. He has no love for the principles and values that built the United States. Instead, he has a love for Marxism, socialism, and political discord from the community agitator perspective. He is an attorney who has no convictions of purpose, other than to place himself in a position of judging others, without being judged himself. He dislikes that America was built on hard work, because he believes it should be built on equal outcomes and what he and his friends view as "superior" ideas.

    Sarah Palin, on the other hand, clearly has a love for the essence of America, and it is that singular quality of understanding, coupled with a forthright honesty and direct assessment that sounds anything but the words of a politician, that makes her so popular.

    Is she electable as a President at this time? Probably not. However, she is eminently qualified as a vice president, perhaps more so that John McCain was qualified to be President.

    There are very few "powers behind the scene" that want Palin or anyone else to be President, unless you are one of those guys that thinks the Council on Foreign Relations runs the world. Obama was elected because of his race, rather than his ideas, which is a stark contrast to the "dream" of Dr. King.

    Palin would be elected because of her common sense approach and winning personality, having led her state to a successful agreement with the oil companies that benefits every Alaska citizen.

    What has President Obama done for anyone? It is the difficulty of answering that statement that will make him a one term President.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    There are Democratic congresspeople that are willing to vote to have their own taxes raised to pre Bush tax cut levels and have the taxcuts remain for the majority 95% of Americans.
    That's great news. Let them do it now.

    As for the others, I hope that the tax cuts remain in place, just as they are.

    That does not mean more money for me. I would, however, like to see taxes lowered from their current levels, and spending to be reduced.

    In fact, it means that I understand that taking away income from so called "rich people" only hurts the formation of jobs. They will not suffer themselves, but that money that would go to increased taxes will stunt economic growth, as many of the people paying the higher tax rate would be small business people. That tax increase will keep most of them for expanding their businesses or hiring more people.

    Even average folks understand this concept. It is only those who salivate at the idea of someone else having to pay more will like the idea, and it will be to their detriment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    Okay, let's look at this.

    Experience.

    Most of our best Presidents have had not previous government experience. They were by far, mostly farmers. Washington had military experience, as did a few others. Lincoln was a lawyer, who was defeated in runs for office many times.
    Where do you get your information? Lincoln was a state representative for Illinois and a member of the House of Representatives. He did fail in two senate bids.
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    Couple of thoughts:

    PageyJim: Who specifically are those Dem's that would voluntarily raise their personal taxes? BlueDogs I am sure! (Still, I would appreciate specific names and news articles citing your claims). And if they are indeed bluedogs, that means they are conservatives in a liberal party... Please explain why the ones that have the right ideas are not liberals...

    The basic message here is whether I (self) am the highest power (meaning my ability to come up with an idea) and the ultimate intelligence of the universe... or there is a higher power that is and always will be smarter than myself... Those that understand the latter concept understand faith... those that want to promote only themselves are, in reality, in rebellion towards that higher power.

    Funny, those of us that know that higher power (Christians) also know that higher power has a lot of patience towards those children in rebellion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    Where do you get your information? Lincoln was a state representative for Illinois and a member of the House of Representatives. He did fail in two senate bids.
    I am correct, and so are you. He was an attorney. That means he was more highly educated in law than many of the "farmer" Presidents we have had. His experience as a Congressman does not make him "qualified" to be President, it just makes him appear more qauliifed. His actual qualification was his common sense and his love for the country.

    Sarah Palin was a mayor and a governor.

    Barack Obama served a short time in the US Senate.

    Perhaps you did not understand my point, or I simply failed to make it clearly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    Couple of thoughts:

    PageyJim: Who specifically are those Dem's that would voluntarily raise their personal taxes? BlueDogs I am sure! (Still, I would appreciate specific names and news articles citing your claims). And if they are indeed bluedogs, that means they are conservatives in a liberal party... Please explain why the ones that have the right ideas are not liberals...

    On the contrary the Bluedogs in general (Along with the republicans.) want to keep the "Bush tax cuts" for the people making $250,000 and more. There is talk keeping these cuts in force temporarily

    This has been so widely reported where have you been?

    "The discussion in Congress is generally over the portion of those Bush tax cuts that fall on "wealthier Americans." While it is true that all provisions of the Bush tax cuts are set to expire by the end of the year, the debate in Congress is essentially over the tax cuts for Americans making over $200,000. Reuters reported that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi intends to "push for a House vote before the November 2 election on whether to extend tax cuts for the middle class while letting those for wealthier citizens expire." Likewise, President Obama's proposed FY 2011 budget calls for only allowing the "tax cuts that affect families earning more than $250,000 a year to expire."
    http://mediamatters.org/blog/201008030023

    Allegedly Democratic senators Kent Conrad (ND), Ben Nelson (NE), and Evan Bayh (IN) apparently will vote to extend all the Bush tax cuts, including those of the mega-wealthy, for two more years, which probably means they will be extended two more years. I take these three are afraid of being accused of “raising taxes” before a midterm, so they’ll throw responsibility under the bus.
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    Exclamation Understanding taxes

    Before you discuss whether to raise or cut taxes, you should seriously look at their true purpose. Taxation is a state legalized form of stealing or forcing you to pay what you would not otherwise voluntarily donate. In 1862, Lincoln created a Commissioner of Internal Revenue and levied income taxes to pay for the war. It was repealed in 10 yrs. Another attempt in 1894 was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court the following year. Then, in 1913, the 16th Amendment passed establishing what we know as the IRS. Keep in mind one of the single biggest gripes we had with England was 'taxation without representation' and the various taxes levied by Parliament.

    Now, in order to provide for national defense and those issues addressed by the Constitution, it was finally deemed necessary and legal to levy income taxes at the national level. Meanwhile, there have been all sorts of other taxes, surcharges, tariffs, and fees at the national, state and local levels all designed to transfer your money to them whether you like it or not. Over time, the smooth talking politicians would find the latest crisis or humanitarian cause to suck more money from you, all supposedly with glorious sounding intent. What it was really doing was transferring enormous wealth and power to a select few or fascists. Conincidentally with this process was the emergence of Marxism and the Progressive movement. This is a system where every aspect of your life, especially your wealth and freedoms are transferred to a select elite few fascists who exercise control (read: slavery) over your life. Now, without those taxes, they wield less power. Fast fwd. to the Civil Rights movement. We have established a track record of Marxist/ Progressivism and then served up on a platter were the blacks, who were looking for: an advocate at the national level. What they got was slavery by selling their votes to these Progressive monsters who sold 'entitlements' and special treatment for blacks in exchange for votes. Just like drug pushers, the Democrat Progressives have been steadily increasing their stranglehold on the country enslaving more and more. The Conservatives, meanwhile, realized they lost a huge voting block so they attempted to take up Progressive issues at a lesser pace in the vain hope of garnering a few pitiful votes. The lie, however, was that they sold their souls to the devil and lost their moral compass just like the Progressives had. They became 'Progressive Lite' and we know call they RINOs (Republican In Name Only). Collectively, they are all whores who would sell their mothers for one vote. Meanwhile, we the people are losing more and more freedoms.

    Now, with 47% of the country on welfare, too many government employees to count, too many union workers who also sold their votes to the Progressives for outrageous wages and benefits that are a huge component of our present recession, and so many businesses that rely on government contracts either directly or in support of government programs that most of the country is beholding to the government in one way or another. We have become a nation of addicts looking to the government for our next 'fix'. Taxes are raised to feed this insatiable appetite while transferring even more power to these fascists. They now squawk about class warefare and the 'struggle for equality'. Who ever said we all deserved to be equal? This is the single biggest lie of Marx and these monsters. You deserve what you work your butt off for. Let me ask you this way: if you go downstairs at night and encounter a burglar stealing your property, wouldn't you want to shoot them or at least apprehend them for arrest? I mean, if you REALLY believe in pure equality for all, then why don't all you Left wingers write a check for your total wealth then sit back and wait to see what the government hands back to you as 'your fair share'? BTW, just who is it who determines what is 'fair'?

    You see, it all evolves around the effort to steal your money and mine for some worldly need or application that is not required by the Constitution. It is legalized stealing-pure and simple. So, when Al Sharpton said yesterday he was force getting back to 'the dream', he wasn't talking about racial equality. We already have done a danged good job of that inspite of the garbage you hear from these liars and thieves. What he wants is all of YOUR money! He wants to create a nation of addicts. When forced upon you, that is called 'communism'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hearthman View Post
    Before you discuss whether to raise or cut taxes, you should seriously look at their true purpose. Taxation is a state legalized form of stealing or forcing you to pay what you would not otherwise voluntarily donate. In 1862, Lincoln created a Commissioner of Internal Revenue and levied income taxes to pay for the war. It was repealed in 10 yrs. Another attempt in 1894 was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court the following year. Then, in 1913, the 16th Amendment passed establishing what we know as the IRS. Keep in mind one of the single biggest gripes we had with England was 'taxation without representation' and the various taxes levied by Parliament.

    Now, in order to provide for national defense and those issues addressed by the Constitution, it was finally deemed necessary and legal to levy income taxes at the national level. Meanwhile, there have been all sorts of other taxes, surcharges, tariffs, and fees at the national, state and local levels all designed to transfer your money to them whether you like it or not. Over time, the smooth talking politicians would find the latest crisis or humanitarian cause to suck more money from you, all supposedly with glorious sounding intent. What it was really doing was transferring enormous wealth and power to a select few or fascists. Conincidentally with this process was the emergence of Marxism and the Progressive movement. This is a system where every aspect of your life, especially your wealth and freedoms are transferred to a select elite few fascists who exercise control (read: slavery) over your life. Now, without those taxes, they wield less power. Fast fwd. to the Civil Rights movement. We have established a track record of Marxist/ Progressivism and then served up on a platter were the blacks, who were looking for: an advocate at the national level. What they got was slavery by selling their votes to these Progressive monsters who sold 'entitlements' and special treatment for blacks in exchange for votes. Just like drug pushers, the Democrat Progressives have been steadily increasing their stranglehold on the country enslaving more and more. The Conservatives, meanwhile, realized they lost a huge voting block so they attempted to take up Progressive issues at a lesser pace in the vain hope of garnering a few pitiful votes. The lie, however, was that they sold their souls to the devil and lost their moral compass just like the Progressives had. They became 'Progressive Lite' and we know call they RINOs (Republican In Name Only). Collectively, they are all whores who would sell their mothers for one vote. Meanwhile, we the people are losing more and more freedoms.

    Now, with 47% of the country on welfare, too many government employees to count, too many union workers who also sold their votes to the Progressives for outrageous wages and benefits that are a huge component of our present recession, and so many businesses that rely on government contracts either directly or in support of government programs that most of the country is beholding to the government in one way or another. We have become a nation of addicts looking to the government for our next 'fix'. Taxes are raised to feed this insatiable appetite while transferring even more power to these fascists. They now squawk about class warefare and the 'struggle for equality'. Who ever said we all deserved to be equal? This is the single biggest lie of Marx and these monsters. You deserve what you work your butt off for. Let me ask you this way: if you go downstairs at night and encounter a burglar stealing your property, wouldn't you want to shoot them or at least apprehend them for arrest? I mean, if you REALLY believe in pure equality for all, then why don't all you Left wingers write a check for your total wealth then sit back and wait to see what the government hands back to you as 'your fair share'? BTW, just who is it who determines what is 'fair'?

    You see, it all evolves around the effort to steal your money and mine for some worldly need or application that is not required by the Constitution. It is legalized stealing-pure and simple. So, when Al Sharpton said yesterday he was force getting back to 'the dream', he wasn't talking about racial equality. We already have done a danged good job of that inspite of the garbage you hear from these liars and thieves. What he wants is all of YOUR money! He wants to create a nation of addicts. When forced upon you, that is called 'communism'.
    This is Glenn Beck isn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    This is Glenn Beck isn't it?

    Nope.

    He's just another well-informed American.

    We are very scary to liberals.





    BOO!
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    Nope.

    He's just another well-informed American.

    We are very scary to liberals.





    BOO!
    LOL. No, there was just so many errors in there it wasn't worth it. You are the ones motivated by fear anyhow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    LOL. No, there was just so many errors in there it wasn't worth it. You are the ones motivated by fear anyhow.

    Please, condescend to tell us the "errors." I have my copy of Das Kapital and The Communist Manifesto in a trunk somewhere, so we can have that discussion, if you like.

    Fear?

    I have no need for fear. I have God. He has already told us how this story ends. I'm just interested in the best possible experience along the way.

    I also believe that if we do not take out country back, and do so in this generation, America will become unrecognizable as the light of the world that we were in the last century. Not a banana republic, mind you, but a nation of takers, rather than makers. How sad that possibility.

    That's not a reason to be fearful, but a reason to be engaged.




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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    Please, condescend to tell us the "errors." I have my copy of Das Kapital and The Communist Manifesto in a trunk somewhere, so we can have that discussion, if you like.

    Fear?

    I have no need for fear. I have God. He has already told us how this story ends. I'm just interested in the best possible experience along the way.

    I also believe that if we do not take out country back, and do so in this generation, America will become unrecognizable as the light of the world that we were in the last century. Not a banana republic, mind you, but a nation of takers, rather than makers. How sad that possibility.

    That's not a reason to be fearful, but a reason to be engaged.




    As the Klingons say...

    Relish the battle!
    I hope it does become unrecognizeable to you and your kind. You crack me up you post a bunch of untruths with a couple things that happen to be true and when corrected you say we are both right. And another one that quotes Star Trek. That is kinda like Reagan using a Bruce Springsteen song.

    BTW George Washington was in government before he was president also.
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    Liberal is the same as progressive. Progressive means progressing towards a government controlled country like Cuba.
    All you liberals take off your masks and tell us what you really want.
    When and if this country falls there will be no place left for the world to escape to.

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