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    lib·er·al   /ˈlɪbərəl, ˈlɪbrəl/ Show Spelled[lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl]
    –adjective
    1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
    2. ( often initial capital letter ) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
    3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
    4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
    5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
    6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
    7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.
    8. open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.
    9. characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor.
    10. given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation.
    11. not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule.
    12. of, pertaining to, or based on the liberal arts.
    13. of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman.


    Your definition works on the "Rodeo Clown" Show or Glenn Beck Show. Most of the founders were liberal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    I hope it does become unrecognizeable to you and your kind. You crack me up you post a bunch of untruths with a couple things that happen to be true and when corrected you say we are both right. And another one that quotes Star Trek. That is kinda like Reagan using a Bruce Springsteen song.

    BTW George Washington was in government before he was president also.
    First, I hope you have the continuing luxury of laughing at whomever you choose.

    If I have said something untrue, then call me on it. Lincoln WAS an attorney, and lacked the government experience of several US Presidents. However, our best Presidents had little (I did not say "none") government service. Washington was primarily a general, and not a politician, so you are making a distinction without a difference.

    I used to like Bruce a lot. A very close friend helped launch his career. I am very disappointed in his political naiveté, as well as that of Jackson Browne. These guys are much better off as musicians, since all they know of politics is what liberals tell them. It's a shame.

    "Me and my kind" are engaged, thoughtful Americans who are pulling back the curtain and demanding that our government return to its purpose and its limited powers.

    I hope you are there to see it.
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    DICTIONARY.COM
    lib·er·al   /ˈlɪbərəl, ˈlɪbrəl/ Show Spelled[lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl]
    –adjective
    1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
    2. ( often initial capital letter ) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
    3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
    4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
    5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
    6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
    7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.
    8. open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.
    9. characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor.
    10. given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation.
    11. not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule.
    12. of, pertaining to, or based on the liberal arts.
    13. of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman.


    Your definition works on the "Rodeo Clown" Show or Glenn Beck Show. Most of the founders were liberal.
    Either you're clueless as to what is happening in congress (loaded with progressives) and with Obama, or you're happy with it. Regardless you're part of the problem.

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    DICTIONARY.COM
    lib·er·al   /ˈlɪbərəl, ˈlɪbrəl/ Show Spelled[lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl]
    –adjective
    1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
    2. ( often initial capital letter ) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
    3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
    4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
    5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
    6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
    7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.
    8. open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.
    9. characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor.
    10. given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation.
    11. not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule.
    12. of, pertaining to, or based on the liberal arts.
    13. of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman.


    Your definition works on the "Rodeo Clown" Show or Glenn Beck Show. Most of the founders were liberal.
    My definition differers significantly from the dictionary definition. Mine is base on how the word is used.

    At a point in the last century, folks did not want to be called "progressives," so they started calling themselves "liberals."

    A liberal is a person who believes that their ideas are superior to those that came before them, usually because they have deemed themselves through academia and training to be intellectually superior, and they often favor collectivist approaches and government legislation to achieve what they believe is an outcome that is more "fair" then the outcomes gained by "competition."

    As people began to understand and discuss liberal polices, liberals started to back away from the term they had embraced in the 1960's, and are starting to call themselves "progressives" again.

    The belief is that the word "progressive" connotes moving forward, and that not enough people will realize the focus of this "forward" movement is the edge of a societal cliff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    Okay, let's look at this.

    Experience.

    Most of our best Presidents have had not previous government experience. They were by far, mostly farmers. Washington had military experience, as did a few others. Lincoln was a lawyer, who was defeated in runs for office many times.
    You say "most of our best presidents have not had previous government experience." Then list Lincoln and Washington, who both had previous government experience. And with Washington that was hard since we were a new nation.

    Your post looked like it was an excuse to elect Sarah Palin which is just a joke and I hope she is your nominee in 2012. I will be praying with you on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    My definition differers significantly from the dictionary definition. Mine is base on how the word is used.
    Yes I know you guys like to redefine words.

    Frank I. Luntz (born February 23, 1962) is an American political consultant and pollster. His most recent work has been with the Fox News Channel as a frequent commentator and analyst, as well as running focus groups after presidential debates. Luntz's specialty is “testing language and finding words that will help his clients sell their product or turn public opinion on an issue or a candidate.” He is also an author of business books dealing with communication strategies and public opinion. Luntz's current company, The Word Doctors, specializes in message creation and image management for commercial and political clients.
    "War is cruelty,and you cannot refine it." Sherman to the leadership of Atlanta prior to burning the city.

    "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."
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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    Yes I know you guys like to redefine words.

    Frank I. Luntz (born February 23, 1962) is an American political consultant and pollster. His most recent work has been with the Fox News Channel as a frequent commentator and analyst, as well as running focus groups after presidential debates. Luntz's specialty is “testing language and finding words that will help his clients sell their product or turn public opinion on an issue or a candidate.” He is also an author of business books dealing with communication strategies and public opinion. Luntz's current company, The Word Doctors, specializes in message creation and image management for commercial and political clients.
    Frank knows his stuff. So do I.

    I still have clients that hire me for my professional communicating skills.

    Yep. As a famous radio man once said, "words mean things."

    So true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    You say "most of our best presidents have not had previous government experience." Then list Lincoln and Washington, who both had previous government experience. And with Washington that was hard since we were a new nation.

    Your post looked like it was an excuse to elect Sarah Palin which is just a joke and I hope she is your nominee in 2012. I will be praying with you on that.
    I'm using the same standard that liberals used. I like to tweak liberals.

    "They" say that Palin, a mayor and governor, had "no experience."

    So, there is experience, and there is experience. I think your position is that any small amount of government experience counts as being "experienced," yes?

    Maybe you should inform the Huffington Post and the daily Kos of your finding.

    As far as I am concerned, I am happy to hear that you are praying. Pray for America, and pray for her people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    I'm using the same standard that liberals used. I like to tweak liberals.

    "They" say that Palin, a mayor and governor, had "no experience."

    So, there is experience, and there is experience. I think your position is that any small amount of government experience counts as being "experienced," yes?

    Maybe you should inform the Huffington Post and the daily Kos of your finding.

    As far as I am concerned, I am happy to hear that you are praying. Pray for America, and pray for her people.
    You are confusing your words "no government exoerience" with being qualified. I look forward to watching you redefine the english language to suit your needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    Okay, let's look at this.

    Experience.

    Most of our best Presidents have had not previous government experience. They were by far, mostly farmers. Washington had military experience, as did a few others. Lincoln was a lawyer, who was defeated in runs for office many times.
    I am curious of your list of best presidents that you are speaking of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post

    So what is the yardstick to measure a potential leader of the United States?

    Ready?

    It is a combination of average intellect, common sense, and a love for the principles and values on which our nation was built.

    That's it.
    Talk about low standards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    As far as "faith" since God is not mentioned in the Constitution it is also clear what the founders intention was.
    Take your medicine like a good little brainwashed Liberal who hates America.

    Lincoln gave a proclamation in 1862 ordering the military a Sabbath rest while quoting two general's orders from 1776,


    This is the text of President Lincoln's Order:

    GENERAL ORDER RESPECTING THE OBSERVANCE OF THE SABBATH DAY IN THE ARMY AND NAVY

    EXECUTIVE MANSION,
    Washington, November 15, 1862

    The President, Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy, desires and enjoins the orderly observance of the Sabbath by the officers and men in the military and naval service. The importance for men and beast of the prescribed weekly rest, the sacred rights of Christian soldiers and sailors, a becoming deference to the best sentiment of a Christian people, and a due regard for the divine will demand that Sunday labor in the Army and Navy be reduced to the measure of strict necessity.
    The discipline and character of the national forces should not suffer nor the cause they defend be imperiled by the profanation of the day or name of the Most High. “At this time of public distress,” adopting the words of Washington in 1776, “men may find enough to do in the service of God and their country without abandoning themselves to vice and immorality.” The first general order issued by the Father of his Country after the Declaration of Independence indicates the spirit in which our institutions were founded and should ever be defended:

    The General hopes and trusts that every officer and man will endeavor to live and act as becomes a Christian soldier defending the dearest rights and liberties of his country.

    ABRAHAM LINCOLN




    George Washington's original General Orders:

    February 26, 1776

    All Officers, non-commissioned Officers and Soldiers are positively forbid[den from] playing at Cards, and other Games of Chance. At this time of public distress, men may find enough to do in the service of God and their country without abandoning themselves to vice and immorality.

    July 9, 1776

    The Hon. Continental Congress having been pleased to allow a Chaplain to each Regiment, with the pay of Thirty-three Dollars and one third pr month—The Colonels or commanding officers of each regiment are directed to procure Chaplains accordingly; persons of good Characters and exemplary lives—To see that all inferior officers and soldiers pay them a suitable respect and attend carefully upon religious exercises. The blessing and protection of Heaven are at all times necessary but especially so in times of public distress and danger—The General hopes and trusts that every officer and man will endeavor to live and act as becomes a Christian soldier defending the dearest rights and liberties of his country.



    [Source: The Writings of George Washington, John C. Fitzpatrick, editor (Washington: Government Printing Office, 1931), Vol. 4, p. 347, February 26, 1776 Order; and Writings (1932), Vol. 5, pp. 244-245, July 9, 1776 Order.]




    THE PILGRIMS WROTE:

    Following is the original First Charter of Virginia from the year 1606. It states:

    We, greatly commending and graciously accepting of their Desires for the furtherance of so noble a work, which may, by the Providence of God Almighty, hereafter tend to the glory of His divine Majesty, in the propagating of the Christian religion to such people, as yet live in darkness and miserable ignorance of the true knowledge of the worship of God, and may in time bring the infidels and savages, living in those parts, to human civility, and to a settled and quiet government; Do, by these our letters patents, graciously accept of, agree to, and their humble and well-intended desires. (Dated April 1, 1606)


    "Of all the habits and dispositions which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars." - George Washington - Fair Well Address



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    Supreme Court New York The People vs Ruggles 1811

    Chief Justice James Kent - "The free, equal, and undisturbed enjoyment of religious opinion, whatever it may be, and free and decent discussions of any religious subject, is granted and secured; but to revile the religion professed by almost the whole community is an abuse of that right. We are a Christian people and the morality of the country is deeply en grafted upon Christianity and not upon doctrines or worship of those impostors (other religions) We are people hose manners and whose morals have been elevated and inspired by means of the Christian religion."


    Supreme Court Maryland unanimous ruling Runkel vs Winemiller 1799

    "Religion is of general public concern and on its support depend, in great measure, the peace and good order of govt., the safety and happiness of the people. By our form of govt, the Christian religion is the established religion; and all sects and denominations of Christians are placed upon the same equal footing and are equally entitled to protection in their religious liberty."


    Unanimous vote Supreme Court Ruling: Vidal v. Girard's Executors 1844

    US Supreme Court- "Christianity is not to be maliciously & openly reviled & blasphemed against to the annoyance of believers or the injury of the public. It is unnecessary for us, however, to consider the establishment of a school or college for the propagation of Judaism or Deism or ANY other form of infidelity. Such a case is NOT to be presumed to exist in a Christian country."


    Samuel Adams
    Father of the American Revolution, Signer of the Declaration of Independence

    I . . . recommend my Soul to that Almighty Being who gave it, and my body I commit to the dust, relying upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins.

    Will of Samuel Adams



    William Cushing
    First Associate Justice Appointed by George Washington to the Supreme Court

    Sensible of my mortality, but being of sound mind, after recommending my soul to Almighty God through the merits of my Redeemer and my body to the earth . . .

    Will of William Cushing


    John Dickinson
    Signer of the Constitution

    Rendering thanks to my Creator for my existence and station among His works, for my birth in a country enlightened by the Gospel and enjoying freedom, and for all His other kindnesses, to Him I resign myself, humbly confiding in His goodness and in His mercy through Jesus Christ for the events of eternity.

    Will of John Dickinson


    Charles Carroll
    Signer of the Declaration of Independence

    On the mercy of my Redeemer I rely for salvation and on His merits; not on the works I have done in obedience to His precepts.

    From an autographed letter in our possession written by Charles Carroll to Charles W. Wharton, Esq., on September 27, 1825, from Doughoragen, Maryland.


    John Hancock
    Signer of the Declaration of Independence

    I John Hancock, . . . being advanced in years and being of perfect mind and memory-thanks be given to God-therefore calling to mind the mortality of my body and knowing it is appointed for all men once to die [Hebrews 9:27], do make and ordain this my last will and testament…Principally and first of all, I give and recommend my soul into the hands of God that gave it: and my body I recommend to the earth . . . nothing doubting but at the general resurrection I shall receive the same again by the mercy and power of God. . .

    Will of John Hancock


    Patrick Henry
    Governor of Virginia, Patriot

    This is all the inheritance I can give to my dear family. The religion of Christ can give them one which will make them rich indeed.

    Will of Patrick Henry
    John Jay
    First Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court

    Unto Him who is the author and giver of all good, I render sincere and humble thanks for His manifold and unmerited blessings, and especially for our redemption and salvation by His beloved son. He has been pleased to bless me with excellent parents, with a virtuous wife, and with worthy children. His protection has companied me through many eventful years, faithfully employed in the service of my country; His providence has not only conducted me to this tranquil situation but also given me abundant reason to be contented and thankful. Blessed be His holy name!

    Will of John Jay
    Daniel St. Thomas Jenifer
    Signer of the Constitution

    In the name of God, Amen. I, Daniel of Saint Thomas Jenifer . . . of dispossing mind and memory, commend my soul to my blessed Redeemer. . .

    Will of Daniel St. Thomas Jenifer
    Henry Knox
    Revolutionary War General, Secretary of War

    First, I think it proper to express my unshaken opinion of the immortality of my soul or mind; and to dedicate and devote the same to the supreme head of the Universe – to that great and tremendous Jehovah, – Who created the universal frame of nature, worlds, and systems in number infinite . . . To this awfully sublime Being do I resign my spirit with unlimited confidence of His mercy and protection . . .

    Will of Henry Knox
    John Langdon
    Signer of the Constitution

    In the name of God, Amen. I, John Langdon, . . . considering the uncertainty of life and that it is appointed unto all men once to die [Hebrews 9:27], do make, ordain and publish this my last will and testament in manner following, that is to say-First: I commend my soul to the infinite mercies of God in Christ Jesus, the beloved Son of the Father, who died and rose again that He might be the Lord of the dead and of the living . . . professing to believe and hope in the joyful Scripture doctrine of a resurrection to eternal life . . .

    Will of John Langdon
    John Morton
    Signer of the Declaration of Independence

    With an awful reverence to the great Almighty God, Creator of all mankind, I, John Morton . . . being sick and weak in body but of sound mind and memory-thanks be given to Almighty God for the same, for all His mercies and favors-and considering the certainty of death and the uncertainty of the times thereof, do, for the settling of such temporal estate as it hath pleased God to bless me with in this life . . .

    Will of John Morton
    Robert Treat Paine
    Signer of the Declaration of Independence

    I desire to bless and praise the name of God most high for appointing me my birth in a land of Gospel Light where the glorious tidings of a Savior and of pardon and salvation through Him have been continually sounding in mine ears.

    Robert Treat Paine, The Papers of Robert Treat Paine, Stephen Riley and Edward Hanson, editors (Boston: Massachusetts Historical Society, 1992), Vol. I, p. 48, March/April, 1749.

    [W]hen I consider that this instrument contemplates my departure from this life and all earthly enjoyments and my entrance on another state of existence, I am constrained to express my adoration of the Supreme Being, the Author of my existence, in full belief of his providential goodness and his forgiving mercy revealed to the world through Jesus Christ, through whom I hope for never ending happiness in a future state, acknowledging with grateful remembrance the happiness I have enjoyed in my passage through a long life. . .

    Will of Robert Treat Paine
    Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
    Signer of the Constitution

    To the eternal, immutable, and only true God be all honor and glory, now and forever, Amen!. . .

    Will of Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
    Rufus Putnam
    Revolutionary War General, First Surveyor General of the United States

    [F]irst, I give my soul to a holy, sovereign God Who gave it in humble hope of a blessed immortality through the atonement and righteousness of Jesus Christ and the sanctifying grace of the Holy Spirit. My body I commit to the earth to be buried in a decent Christian manner. I fully believe that this body shall, by the mighty power of God, be raised to life at the last day; 'for this corruptable (sic) must put on incorruption and this mortal must put on immortality.' [I Corinthians 15:53]

    Will of Rufus Putnam
    Benjamin Rush
    Signer of the Declaration of Independence

    My only hope of salvation is in the infinite, transcendent love of God manifested to the world by the death of His Son upon the cross. Nothing but His blood will wash away my sins. I rely exclusively upon it. Come, Lord Jesus! Come quickly!

    Benjamin Rush, The Autobiography of Benjamin Rush, George Corner, editor (Princeton: Princeton University Press for the American Philosophical Society, 1948), p. 166, Travels Through Life, An Account of Sundry Incidents & Events in the Life of Benjamin Rush.
    Roger Sherman
    Signer of the Declaration of Independence, Signer of the Constitution

    I believe that there is one only living and true God, existing in three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. . . . that the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are a revelation from God. . . . that God did send His own Son to become man, die in the room and stead of sinners, and thus to lay a foundation for the offer of pardon and salvation to all mankind so as all may be saved who are willing to accept the Gospel offer.

    Lewis Henry Boutell, The Life of Roger Sherman (Chicago: A. C. McClurg and Company, 1896), pp. 272-273.
    Richard Stockton
    Signer of the Declaration of Independence

    I think it proper here not only to subscribe to the entire belief of the great and leading doctrines of the Christian religion, such as the Being of God, the universal defection and depravity of human nature, the divinity of the person and the completeness of the redemption purchased by the blessed Savior, the necessity of the operations of the Divine Spirit, of Divine Faith, accompanied with an habitual virtuous life, and the universality of the divine Providence, but also . . . that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom; that the way of life held up in the Christian system is calculated for the most complete happiness that can be enjoyed in this mortal state; that all occasions of vice and immorality is injurious either immediately or consequentially, even in this life; that as Almighty God hath not been pleased in the Holy Scriptures to prescribe any precise mode in which He is to be publicly worshiped, all contention about it generally arises from want of knowledge or want of virtue.

    Will of Richard Stockton
    Jonathan Trumbull Sr.
    Governor of Connecticut, Patriot

    Principally and first of all, I bequeath my soul to God the Creator and Giver thereof, and body to the Earth . . . nothing doubting but that I shall receive the same again at the General Resurrection thro the power of Almighty God; believing and hoping for eternal life thro the merits of my dear, exalted Redeemer Jesus Christ.

    Will of Jonathan Trumbull
    John Witherspoon
    Signer of the Declaration of Independence

    I entreat you in the most earnest manner to believe in Jesus Christ, for there is no salvation in any other [Acts 4:12]. . . . [I]f you are not reconciled to God through Jesus Christ, if you are not clothed with the spotless robe of His righteousness, you must forever perish.

    John Witherspoon, The Works of John Witherspoon (Edinburgh: J. Ogle, 1815), Vol. V, pp. 276, 278, The Absolute Necessity of Salvation Through Christ, January 2, 1758.







    11/01/1777

    In light of America's current war in Iraq and ongoing war against terrorism, the actions of our Founding Fathers in times of war are instructive. This is the text of the first national day of thanksgiving in America (set for December 18, 1777), declared by the Continental Congress on November 1, 1777:

    IN CONGRESS

    November 1, 1777

    FORASMUCH as it is the indispensable Duty of all Men to adore the superintending Providence of Almighty God; to acknowledge with Gratitude their Obligation to him for benefits received, and to implore such farther Blessings as they stand in Need of; And it having pleased him in his abundant Mercy not only to continue to us the innumerable Bounties of his common Providence, but also to smile upon us in the Prosecution of a just and necessary War, for the Defence and Establishment of our unalienable Rights and Liberties; particularly in that he hath been pleased in so great a Measure to prosper the Means used for the Support of our Troops and to crown our Arms with most signal success:

    It is therefore recommended to the legislative or executive powers of these United States, to set apart THURSDAY, the eighteenth Day of December next, for Solemn Thanksgiving and Praise; That with one Heart and one Voice the good People may express the grateful Feelings of their Hearts, and consecrate themselves to the Service of their Divine Benefactor; and that together with their sincere Acknowledgments and Offerings, they may join the penitent Confession of their manifold Sins, whereby they had forfeited every Favour, and their humble and earnest Supplication that it may please GOD, through the Merits of Jesus Christ, mercifully to forgive and blot them out of Remembrance; That it may please him graciously to afford his Blessing on the Governments of these States respectively, and prosper the public Council of the whole; to inspire our Commanders both by Land and Sea, and all under them, with that Wisdom and Fortitude which may render them fit Instruments, under the Providence of Almighty GOD, to secure for these United States the greatest of all human blessings, INDEPENDENCE and PEACE; That it may please him to prosper the Trade and Manufactures of the People and the Labour of the Husbandman, that our Land may yet yield its Increase; To take Schools and Seminaries of Education, so necessary for cultivating the Principles of true Liberty, Virtue and Piety, under his nurturing Hand, and to prosper the Means of Religion for the promotion and enlargement of that Kingdom which consisteth “in Righteousness, Peace and Joy in the Holy Ghost.”

    And it is further recommended, that servile Labour, and such Recreation as, though at other Times innocent, may be unbecoming the Purpose of this Appointment, be omitted on so solemn an Occasion.

    Extract from the Minutes,
    Charles Thomson, Secr.


    [This proclamation can be found in: Journals of the American Congress From 1774 to 1788 (Washington: Way and Gideon, 1823), Vol. II, pp. 309-310]

    This is text excerpted from a national fast declared by the Continental Congress on March 16, 1776:

    IN CONGRESS

    In times of impending calamity and distress; when the liberties of America are imminently endangered by the secret machinations and open assaults of an insidious and vindictive administration, it becomes the indispensable duty of these hitherto free and happy colonies, with true penitence of heart, and the most reverent devotion, publickly to acknowledge the over ruling providence of God; to confess and deplore our offences against him; and to supplicate his interposition for averting the threatened danger, and prospering our strenuous efforts in the cause of freedom, virtue, and posterity.
    . . . Desirous, at the same time, to have people of all ranks and degrees duly impressed with a solemn sense of God's superintending providence, and of their duty, devoutly to rely, in all their lawful enterprizes, on his aid and direction, Do earnestly recommend, that Friday, the Seventeenth day of May next, be observed by the said colonies as a day of humiliation, fasting, and prayer; that we may, with united hearts, confess and bewail our manifold sins and transgressions, and, by a sincere repentance and amendment of life, appease his righteous displeasure, and, through the merits and mediation of Jesus Christ, obtain his pardon and forgiveness; humbly imploring his assistance to frustrate the cruel purposes of our unnatural enemies;
    . . . that it may please the Lord of Hosts, the God of Armies, to animate our officers and soldiers with invincible fortitude, to guard and protect them in the day of battle, and to crown the continental arms, by sea and land, with victory and success: Earnestly beseeching him to bless our civil rulers, and the representatives of the people, in their several assemblies and conventions; to preserve and strengthen their union, to inspire them with an ardent, disinterested love of their country; to give wisdom and stability to their counsels; and direct them to the most efficacious measures for establishing the rights of America on the most honourable and permanent basis—That he would be graciously pleased to bless all his people in these colonies with health and plenty, and grant that a spirit of incorruptible patriotism, and of pure undefiled religion, may universally prevail; and this continent be speedily restored to the blessings of peace and liberty, and enabled to transmit them inviolate to the latest posterity. And it is recommended to Christians of all denominations, to assemble for public worship, and abstain from servile labour on the said day.

    [Source: Journals of the American Congress From 1774 to 1788 (Washington: Way and Gideon, 1823), Vol. I, pp. 286-287]


    Thomas Paine on "The Study of God"
    Delivered in Paris on January 16, 1797, in a
    Discourse to the Society of Theophilanthropists

    It has been the error of the schools to teach astronomy, and all the other sciences and subjects of natural philosophy, as accomplishments only; whereas they should be taught theologically, or with reference to the Being who is the author of them: for all the principles of science are of Divine origin. Man cannot make, or invent, or contrive principles. He can only discover them; and he ought to look through the discovery to the Author.

    When we examine an extraordinary piece of machinery, an astonishing pile of architecture, a well executed statue or a highly finished painting where life and action are imitated, and habit only prevents our mistaking a surface of light and shade for cubical solidity, our ideas are naturally led to think of the extensive genius and talents of the artist. When we study the elements of geometry, we think of Euclid. When we speak of gravitation, we think of Newton. How then is it, that when we study the works of God in the creation, we stop short, and do not think of God? It is from the error of the schools in having taught those subjects as accomplishments only, and thereby separated the study of them form the Being who is the author of them. . . .

    The evil that has resulted from the error of the schools in teaching natural philosophy as an accomplishment only has been that of generating in the pupils a species of atheism. Instead of looking through the works of the creation to the Creator himself, they stop short, and employ the knowledge they acquire to create doubts of His existence. They labor with studied ingenuity to ascribe everything they behold to innate properties of matter; and jump over all the rest, by saying that matter is eternal.



    Signed by Thomas Jefferson on 9- 24, 1807. This document is permission for a ship called the Herschel to go to the port of London. Notice the phrase "in the year of our Lord Christ. Jefferson chose to use this on official public presidential documents.

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    There are Democratic congresspeople that are willing to vote to have their own taxes raised to pre Bush tax cut levels and have the taxcuts remain for the majority 95% of Americans.
    You mean people like John Kerry, the RICHEST man in the Senate, who skipped out on paying $500,000.00 in taxes to his home state for his new boat.

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