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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh B View Post
    No, you are not right so far. I simply posed the question as to on what moral basis should I be required by law to pay for the social welfare of others such as free public housing. You don't seem to want to answer the question.
    By the same moral basis the government collects money and spends it on your behalf. You pay your taxes because you have decided to live in a system where you elect a group of people to decide how your country is to be run. As your elected representatives have decided that it is less of a drain on society to help out those on the bottom rungs of society rather than having them in armed revolt, or in a lesser scale, steal your goods or harm you in other ways.

    If and when the majority decides that they do not want to subsidize public housing you are stuck with going along with the majority. At least that is how I think your system works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    The same moral basis that pacifists have to support the military.

    And what is that moral basis?
    "No matter how thirsty your imagination, mirages contain no water"

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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    By the same moral basis the government collects money and spends it on your behalf. You pay your taxes because you have decided to live in a system where you elect a group of people to decide how your country is to be run. As your elected representatives have decided that it is less of a drain on society to help out those on the bottom rungs of society rather than having them in armed revolt, or in a lesser scale, steal your goods or harm you in other ways.

    If and when the majority decides that they do not want to subsidize public housing you are stuck with going along with the majority. At least that is how I think your system works.
    I did not decide anything. I was born into a system that pre-existed me and had no choice.

    I asked for a moral basis upon which the law rests which requires me to pay for other people. What is the moral basis for requiring me to pay for others?
    "No matter how thirsty your imagination, mirages contain no water"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh B View Post
    And what is that moral basis?
    I think that as a Christian there is a moral basis to pay for housing and there is a moral basis not to support the military.
    "War is cruelty,and you cannot refine it." Sherman to the leadership of Atlanta prior to burning the city.

    "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."
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    Romney campaign: "We're not going to let our campaign be ruled by fact-checkers,"

    Lindsey Graham: “We’re not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh B View Post
    I did not decide anything. I was born into a system that pre-existed me and had no choice.

    I asked for a moral basis upon which the law rests which requires me to pay for other people. What is the moral basis for requiring me to pay for others?
    I just explained the moral basis. As you have decided to live in a democracy you are morally obliged to follow the rules and one of them is to pay your taxes. On the flip side if you do not agree with the direction the country has taken you are free to convince enough people to make changes to better suit yourself.

    As far as your being born into the system no one is making you stay. You can emigrate to a country more suited to your tastes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    I just explained the moral basis. As you have decided to live in a democracy you are morally obliged to follow the rules and one of them is to pay your taxes. On the flip side if you do not agree with the direction the country has taken you are free to convince enough people to make changes to better suit yourself.

    As far as your being born into the system no one is making you stay. You can emigrate to a country more suited to your tastes.
    Is he complaining that he was born in the USA? Emigrating is not as easy as it seems. My son went to Europe for the summer. He flew into London with a oneway ticket, not knowing how long he was going to stay. Anyway they were afraid he was going to stay and almost did not admit him. They finally did after about 4 hours.

    I was just kidding Hugh about you complaining.
    "War is cruelty,and you cannot refine it." Sherman to the leadership of Atlanta prior to burning the city.

    "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."
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    Romney campaign: "We're not going to let our campaign be ruled by fact-checkers,"

    Lindsey Graham: “We’re not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh B View Post
    And what is that moral basis?
    Hugh, you have been quoting Greg Koukl quite a bit today. Are you a moral objectivist also? If you are not, that is like quoting Einstein and not beleiving in relativity.
    "War is cruelty,and you cannot refine it." Sherman to the leadership of Atlanta prior to burning the city.

    "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."
    Albert Einstein

    Romney campaign: "We're not going to let our campaign be ruled by fact-checkers,"

    Lindsey Graham: “We’re not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term.”

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    Bottom line is that public housing subsidies the low achievers who mass produce more low achievers while the high achievers are taxed to the point they can't afford more kids to raise them properly and you have less high achievers and the "collective" IQ of the country drops like test scores, skills, wealth, more socialism,etc. I believe it's called genetics and the dumbing down of America. Thank you, thank you very much
    "I could have ended the war in a month. I could have made North Vietnam look like a mud puddle."
    "I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh B View Post
    And what is that moral basis?
    Hugh i put this dude on ignore a week ago, and things havent been better.

    He cant discuss, only parrots the party line when he gets in trouble or repeats what someone brainwashed him into thinking.

    Its not worth you time, you cant teach him or help him brotha
    And geer too
    You sure are cocky for a starving pilgrim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zachhvac View Post
    Hugh i put this dude on ignore a week ago, and things havent been better.

    He cant discuss, only parrots the party line when he gets in trouble or repeats what someone brainwashed him into thinking.

    Its not worth you time, you cant teach him or help him brotha
    And geer too

    I am with you Zach. He is unwilling to actually directly answer anything put to him. He is now on my ignore list as well.
    "No matter how thirsty your imagination, mirages contain no water"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh B View Post
    I am with you Zach. He is unwilling to actually directly answer anything put to him. He is now on my ignore list as well.
    Good for you, i promise its better on this end
    You sure are cocky for a starving pilgrim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zachhvac View Post
    Good for you, i promise its better on this end
    Sounds like you boys got a plan. Heck pagey will have to get a life if he has no one to talk to here 24/7. Thank you, thank you very much
    "I could have ended the war in a month. I could have made North Vietnam look like a mud puddle."
    "I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution."
    Barry Goldwater

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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    Sounds like you boys got a plan. Heck pagey will have to get a life if he has no one to talk to here 24/7. Thank you, thank you very much
    Yeah Glenn, I don't mind a good debate but I would at least like to have one with an armed opponent.
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