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    A couple of observations

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    Democrats want to help people.
    LIBERALS want people to help THEM.


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    Here is a question. (I dont know how to set up a POLL)

    Is America headed in the right dirrection?
    Is America headed in the wrong dirrection?
    Those who dance, appear insane to those who do not hear the music.
    Those who believe, appear ignorant to those who do not know God.

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    No to both.
    America is heading in a direction, not right or wrong completely. History will tell. The large problem is PEOPLE are in charge. Sometimes.
    To think anyone believes that control on any direction is possible is simply not understanding the randomness and chance of the crazy idea we spend time on thinking that some how we are or can control things.
    We are controlled by events because we react to them.
    And don't be confused by labels like liberal and democrat, conservative, republican, libertarian, commie, socialist etc. In the end, most, if not a saint, want to help themselves.
    People, especially sociopaths love power. Unfortunately, many are politicians.
    The age old battle of the Pricklies and the Goos. Libs and cons.
    Just rejoice when the system works because it's not often enough.
    We don't know enough math to understand the randomness we live with.
    Tracers work both ways.

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    Pick a side hvacker...the chicken that stood in the middle of the road got hit from both directions....

    If we were headed the right direction we would not have almost 20% unemployment, massive national debt, and a cult religon trying to infiltrate, divide and conquer us...

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    Joe, I couldn't agree with you more. Too many people sitting on the bench watching the game when they should be playing to change the score.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Harper View Post
    Pick a side hvacker...the chicken that stood in the middle of the road got hit from both directions....

    If we were headed the right direction we would not have almost 20% unemployment, massive national debt, and a cult religon trying to infiltrate, divide and conquer us...
    I'm almost never in the middle of anything. I also don't deceive myself that I can affect everything.
    The problems you mentioned will go away and be replaced by others. The creators of problems and solutions are people and they are flawed.
    Tracers work both ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Harper View Post
    Pick a side hvacker...the chicken that stood in the middle of the road got hit from both directions....

    If we were headed the right direction we would not have almost 20% unemployment, massive national debt, and a cult religon trying to infiltrate, divide and conquer us...
    I think you are not taking into account the global influence on the US. Where did the jobs go? Overseas. Who owns your debt? Same place where the jobs went. Religion infiltrating, dividing, and conquering? Yes the religious right are a danger to be watched but as the constitution gives them the freedom to their beliefs there is not much to be done about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    I think you are not taking into account the global influence on the US. Where did the jobs go? Overseas. Who owns your debt? Same place where the jobs went. Religion infiltrating, dividing, and conquering? Yes the religious right are a danger to be watched but as the constitution gives them the freedom to their beliefs there is not much to be done about them.
    You are concerned about the religious right? You should be concerned about Islam.

    The so called religious right declared independence from tyranny and wrote the constitution and has been defending it ever since. Defending it from liberals and athiests.
    "No matter how thirsty your imagination, mirages contain no water"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh B View Post
    You are concerned about the religious right? You should be concerned about Islam.

    The so called religious right declared independence from tyranny and wrote the constitution and has been defending it ever since. Defending it from liberals and athiests.
    So far I have not seen Islam put a dent in our laws or legal system . The right on the other hand seems to think it should be their way or the highway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh B View Post
    You are concerned about the religious right? You should be concerned about Islam.

    The so called religious right declared independence from tyranny and wrote the constitution and has been defending it ever since. Defending it from liberals and athiests.
    Madison and Jefferson were the main authors of the Constitution, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence, Federalist Papers etc. And they are so far from the "religious right."
    "War is cruelty,and you cannot refine it." Sherman to the leadership of Atlanta prior to burning the city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    Madison and Jefferson were the main authors of the Constitution, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence, Federalist Papers etc. And they are so far from the "religious right."
    Lot of history since the two of them have been around. Which is all well and good but I thought you were referring to events of today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    Lot of history since the two of them have been around. Which is all well and good but I thought you were referring to events of today.
    I was just answering Hugh B's assertion that the "religious right" wrote the Constitution.
    "War is cruelty,and you cannot refine it." Sherman to the leadership of Atlanta prior to burning the city.

    "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."
    Albert Einstein

    Romney campaign: "We're not going to let our campaign be ruled by fact-checkers,"

    Lindsey Graham: “We’re not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    I was just answering Hugh B's assertion that the "religious right" wrote the Constitution.
    Madison and Jefferson were conservatives by today's standards. Jefferson for example believed the Bible and even edited his own version. He was not a leftist by todays standards.

    The constitution was a concensis of all the signers who were primarly highly religious belivers in the Bible and Jesus Christ. The constitution was based on their collective beliefs and religious world view which was based on holy scripture. For their time one could say Madison and Jefferson were liberal but by today's standards they fit the religious right in their actions and world views.

    The constitution is a right wing document!!!

    The left of today is attempting to change it's meaning to mean something very, very different from what the signers had in mind.

    Therefore, the constitution is what you get when the religious right has control. The founding of a democracy!
    "No matter how thirsty your imagination, mirages contain no water"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh B View Post
    Madison and Jefferson were conservatives by today's standards. Jefferson for example believed the Bible and even edited his own version. He was not a leftist by todays standards.

    The constitution was a concensis of all the signers who were primarly highly religious belivers in the Bible and Jesus Christ. The constitution was based on their collective beliefs and religious world view which was based on holy scripture. For their time one could say Madison and Jefferson were liberal but by today's standards they fit the religious right in their actions and world views.

    The constitution is a right wing document!!!

    The left of today is attempting to change it's meaning to mean something very, very different from what the signers had in mind.

    Therefore, the constitution is what you get when the religious right has control. The founding of a democracy!
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