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  1. #27
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    Re: Re: LOOK!

    Originally posted by Diceman
    Originally posted by condenseddave
    She just posted!
    Where was she hiding?
    In the body of a boyd.

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    Originally posted by spotts
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    Originally posted by RoBoTeq
    Sorry, I just don't see the big issue here. So the color changed. So the cabinetry of the furnaces are now able to be cut without a blowtorch. Goodman has left the important innards in the Amana equipment alone or bettered it and have taken away the "Better than it has to be" bull**** attitude that kept the Amana brand from being marketable.




    Come on out here to Colorado Robo and I will help show you the big issue. Lets walk over the Church I just did. Finished the install and fired the 115,000 BTU 90%ers and the ductwork [we thought] went BOOOOOM when the fan came on. I thought "We don't have this problem...." shut them down a BOOOOOM again. Started turning the fans off and on trying to find the banging duct and found nothing. I lowered the fan speed a knotch to see how that would sound. Put the door back on and BOOOM again. It was the furnace!! Actually the POS thin hardly attached bottom on this "Case I dont have to cut with a blowtorch". What am I supposed to do? Build a new bottom for this thing? [Furnace was raised on vibration arrestors, like hundreds of the decent ones] We had to cut chunks of PVC and stuff them under the cheezy panel on the bottom of this furnace to stress it upward and eliminated the banging. How should I feel after spending the last 15 years laughing at cheap assed furnaces like this???? Got more info to come but the AS rep just walked in......
    Spotts:

    Is it fair to say based upon your professional opinion the marketing HOAX GOODMAN has represented to the public pertaining to,” we do not advertise, instead we take this money and put it back into R & D” is a FALSE and MISLEADING statement based upon the POOR quality of the AMANA line you are witnessing at the present time?

    Is it fair to say based upon your professional opinion the marketing HOAX GOODMAN has represented to the public pertaining to,” We will revolutionize the air conditioning industry” is a FALSE and MISLEADING statement based upon the POOR quality of the AMANA line you are witnessing at the present time?

    Is it fair to say based upon your professional opinion GOODMAN/AMANA manufacturing has DEGRADED the quality of the AMANA equipment line by using PAPER THIN sheet metal in the construction of the cabinetry you are witnessing at the present time?

    Is it fair to say based upon your professional opinion you would NOT recommend the AMANA line of equipment to any prospective buyer nor contractor being you have witnessed the DEGRADING OF QUALITY in what you refer to as the BOOMING or POPPING of the sheet metal in the AMANA furnaces?

    Is it fair to say based upon your professional opinion contractors should drop the AMANA equipment line based upon the newly acquired knowledge you have provided so they too will not RISK the DOWNGRADING of their companies reputation by using POORLY constructed equipment?

    Thank you for your honesty.

    No further questions at this time.

    [Edited by madeinusa on 10-14-2004 at 02:04 PM]

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    OK Perry Mason..... It's fair to say

    Amana leaves me wanting. Wanting the quality level I have grown accustomed to. They are turning into laughable Gooman quality junk IMHO. I'm a little perturbed about this line from Robo..

    [Sorry, I just don't see the big issue here. So the color changed. So the cabinetry of the furnaces are now able to be cut without a blowtorch. Goodman has left the important innards in the Amana equipment alone or bettered it and have taken away the "Better than it has to be" bull****]

    It actually reminds me of Presidential I hope not, John Kerry when he says "I'm going to tax the people who make over $200,000.00 because they dont need that much money" How the hell does he know what people need? Ya don't see him living under $200K I tell ya! And Why does Goodman think a nice heat exchanger and ignitor wrapped in a pile of low quality material is what I need or want??????????? "I want better for the American People and I want better for my Customers!!!!!"
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    Also Amana

    has no technical support at all for me. I come here with the tough questions. Amana has no classes in sales, service, installation, nothing at all actually. Just buy my product, here it is, thats it. When they were good, I could live with that. No I don't want to.
    My doctor gave me six months to live, but when I couldn't pay the bill he gave me six months more.
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    Re: Also Amana

    Originally posted by spotts
    has no technical support at all for me. I come here with the tough questions. Amana has no classes in sales, service, installation, nothing at all actually. Just buy my product, here it is, thats it. When they were good, I could live with that. No I don't want to.
    So I have my facts straight here Spotts,

    Is it fair to say based upon your professional opinion the marketing HOAX GOODMAN/AMANA has represented to the public pertaining to

    ” BETTER THAN IT HAS TO BE”

    is a FALSE and MISLEADING statement based upon the POOR QUALITY of the AMANA line due to the fact of utilizing PAPER THIN sheet metal, which in turn is causing POPPING and BOOMING noises in the furnaces you are witnessing at the present time?

    Thank you for your honesty.

    No further questions at this time.

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    Spotts:

    They do not have classes in sales, service or installation, because they do not know how to perform it themselves. If they did they would teach it, it is this simple.

    Prime example is back when they purchased that software company that had the load calculation software. They were not intelligent enough to teach a SIMPLE program to their dealers where they would look more professional and knowledgeable. They ended up selling the company back to the previous owner. They are incapable of helping anyone build a business, and you are exactly right with your analysis of here it is come buy it, because this is ALL they have to offer you.

    You would slowly slide into the reputation the lower line has with the DEGRADING of the equipment they are now conducting, and NO dealer can afford to have this tarnish their reputation they have worked so long and hard to create.

    One day more dealers will realize this about this company, THEY SIMPLY DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU.

    [Edited by madeinusa on 10-14-2004 at 07:58 PM]

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    don't blame Amana, Spotty ...

    for your piss poor distributor ... i buy from GBG in Pissburg ... there customer support is top notch ... and ... yes .. i'm not likin' the latest cheezo furnaces i picked up ... ... corporate listen' here. RoBo ???

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    Re: don't blame Amana, Spotty ...

    Originally posted by slimwoodie
    for your piss poor distributor ... i buy from GBG in Pissburg ... there customer support is top notch ... and ... yes .. i'm not likin' the latest cheezo furnaces i picked up ... ... corporate listen' here. RoBo ???
    They are factory direct. Not some 2nd hand distributor. Amana's fault skinnywood. What did you think of them making the nice smooth quiet RCC into a rattletrap?
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    Re: don't blame Amana, Spotty ...

    Originally posted by slimwoodie
    ... ... corporate listen' here. RoBo ???
    That’s because they refuse to accept the fact they build garbage. In there eyes the equipment is not the problem, we are. I think they follow the ostrich theory. They stick their heads in the sand and say, “problem, we don’t see any problem”.

    Or, “just add a couple of hard starts, that will fix it”.

    A Diamond is just a piece of coal, that made good under pressure!

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    RCC ........:(

    i don't know what im gonna buy next summer ...if we ever get summer here in NY again ... hey, GBG has GREAT customer support ... maybe part o' yer problewm is that yer dealin' direct w/ the factory ... wanna compare pricing ???

  11. #37

    Re: don't blame Amana, Spotty ...

    Originally posted by slimwoodie
    for your piss poor distributor ... i buy from GBG in Pissburg ... there customer support is top notch ... and ... yes .. i'm not likin' the latest cheezo furnaces i picked up ... ... corporate listen' here. RoBo ???
    Where you at Slim?
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  12. #38
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    noooooooo, Dice !

    i ain't yer nieghbor ......GBG's Corporate HQ is in Pissburgh ... i buy from the upstate NY branch ...

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    Oh yeah, I remember they had a branch up in NY somewhere.
    By Rochester???
    Too bad, I was gonna take ya to Primanti's.
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