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  1. #14
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    You could go with Carrier.

    Just kidding.

  2. #15
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    Originally posted by spotts
    I'm a 15+ yr. Amana Dealer. Really upset about the promise from Gooman "Amana will remain our quality product, it will not be cheapened to Goodman standards" Then every time I turn around they get worse..... cheaper.... thinner..... noisier....... uglier......
    Come on don’t badmouth them, they give you three hardstarts, for new installs.

    I can see robos eyes, and neck veins bulging already.

    A Diamond is just a piece of coal, that made good under pressure!

  3. #16
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    Ruud

    Is the leader in Modulating/Variable Speed.

    You want super high quality in an air burning device? Go with Thermopride.

    Just, don't use their ugly outdoor ac units.

  4. #17
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    Originally posted by Diceman
    Yo Baldy, so Rudd is better than Trane now in vs & resi stuff?
    We've sold Rheem/Ruud/WK since late 80s, A-S since 1992. In the 90s, I was as Tranewashed as many on here. I sold a lot of Rheem stuff too but avoided some products, like 80% furnaces (noisy) & air handlers (troublesome). We could put in A-S stuff and not have to go back but it was pricey. In the early 2000s, we got a great low price on A-S which made it easier to sell. But that's the same time White-Rodgers started making controls south of the border and A-S/Trane started making recips down there too. Other than some Costa Rican pressure switches, I haven't seen too many problems with Rheem goodies of late. As HJ (where's he been lately?) says, they are all junk though!

    Better in VS? Compare the Mod to any other furnace. It's as close to hydronic heat as a forced air system can get. 13 stages, not 2. The output can nearly mimic the heat loss of the house once it starts to get nippy out. The only furnace that really puts a variable speed blower to use. There's a supply & return sensor that lets the blower vary to maintain a 65 degree rise regardless of firing rate. Compare that to the 30 degree rise you can get from a 2 stage on low. I've sold dozens of 2 stage furnaces and customers are happy. But I had never customers RAVE about a furnace until the Mod. Dicey, next time you have a high end customer want a new furnace, get a Mod with the special stat. Call him back next spring and you'll hear it from him!

  5. #18
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    Originally posted by BaldLoonie
    Originally posted by Diceman
    Yo Baldy, so Rudd is better than Trane now in vs & resi stuff?
    Dicey, next time you have a high end customer want a new furnace, get a Mod with the special stat.
    Dice with a high end customer?
    That's pretty funny Baldy!

  6. #19
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    Yeah, like the psycho chick on the phone.

  7. #20
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    Sorry, I just don't see the big issue here. So the color changed. So the cabinetry of the furnaces are now able to be cut without a blowtorch. Goodman has left the important innards in the Amana equipment alone or bettered it and have taken away the "Better than it has to be" bull**** attitude that kept the Amana brand from being marketable.

    All Amana pricing went down when Goodman bought the company. Why pay for what is not needed? The new silicone nitride HSIs with adaptive ignition systems is certainly a nice touch. The corporate one piece air handlers beat the old Amana BMA air handlers hands down.

    The one thing I don't like is replacing the 825 rpm motor on some of the outdoor units.
    Government is a disease...
    ...masquerading as its own cure…
    Ecclesiastes 10:2 NIV


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    LOOK!

    She just posted!

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    Sorry but I hands down agree. The last 4 goodman product I bought have all had problems I hate the color, and I absolutly hate with a cap H to go into my local distribator to pick product up. How in the world can this company expand witout proper help behind the counter.

    This company has failed my company at every turn.Heads need to roll in that company and soon. We are using Rheem products now. I just came back from a great training class put on by global distr. for Rudd. I will be in Vages for a 3 day Heil class, and one next week put on for Rheem by heating & Cooling company.

    I am a APlus dealer with Goodman, and yup not one class offered, and if there are classes out there and I don't know about them why? after all I am a A plus dealer you would think I would be in the know. I was told that Goodman is commited to it's dealer relationship just doesn't look that way to me.I think they are more commited to great internet sales then helping me be a better installer of the Goodmanamana (all one word now) brand.

  10. #23
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    Hey Loonie
    Have ya seen the new solid door design on the Rheem/Rudd RGPN model 80% gas furnace. Its solid door and said to be much quieter. It'll be replacing the RGPH model as distributors get new shipments in stock. We've got about 250 of them in stock now and expecting another shipment from Rheem this next week. BTW, its gone back to the older style draft motor too..

    We've got a class here in Ga at our warehouse on Nov 4, gonna debut it to our contractors along with a class on variable speed motors.. This gives our contractors their 4 hours continuing ed credits they need for state license, no cost to our contractors and we gonna feed em to boot. At last count we've got 75 people signed up.

    Oh BTW, our average turn time on warranty credits is 48-72 hours if all the info is given to us/me..


    Martin

  11. #24
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    Originally posted by RoBoTeq
    [B]Sorry, I just don't see the big issue here. So the color changed. So the cabinetry of the furnaces are now able to be cut without a blowtorch. Goodman has left the important innards in the Amana equipment alone or bettered it and have taken away the "Better than it has to be" bull**** attitude that kept the Amana brand from being marketable.

    Come on out here to Colorado Robo and I will help show you the big issue. Lets walk over the Church I just did. Finished the install and fired the 115,000 BTU 90%ers and the ductwork [we thought] went BOOOOOM when the fan came on. I thought "We don't have this problem...." shut them down a BOOOOOM again. Started turning the fans off and on trying to find the banging duct and found nothing. I lowered the fan speed a knotch to see how that would sound. Put the door back on and BOOOM again. It was the furnace!! Actually the POS thin hardly attached bottom on this "Case I dont have to cut with a blowtorch". What am I supposed to do? Build a new bottom for this thing? [Furnace was raised on vibration arrestors, like hundreds of the decent ones] We had to cut chunks of PVC and stuff them under the cheezy panel on the bottom of this furnace to stress it upward and eliminated the banging. How should I feel after spending the last 15 years laughing at cheap assed furnaces like this???? Got more info to come but the AS rep just walked in......
    My doctor gave me six months to live, but when I couldn't pay the bill he gave me six months more.
    Walter Matthau

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    Thanks Baldy, good info.
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  13. #26

    Re: LOOK!

    Originally posted by condenseddave
    She just posted!
    Where was she hiding?
    Hey cockroach, don't bug me! ©

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