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    Quote Originally Posted by coolperfect View Post
    It has to start with big business

    They do control the money don't they.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Home&Marine View Post
    Obama is going to be known for the Worst President In the HISTORY of the US of A!

    Maybe you don't know how many Democrats there are in SC but we did Not Carry Obama-Biden in the election. Yea, I was surprised. I guess we don't have as many "Queers" as some other States.

    How did Regan get involved. There's a big difference when you Piss People Off when you are doing what's best for the Country.
    The last time the great state of South Carolina voted for a Democrat in the presidential election was 1976 and you were surprised?
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    GM could have filed bankruptcy.
    "You boys are really making this thing harder than it has to be". Me

    "Who ARE you people? And WHAT are you doing in my SWAMP!?" Shrek

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    You must let the rich get richer,it filters down.It is not only a money thing but a state of mind.What is our state of mind with this guy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdrake65 View Post
    Sorry Tool. I thought the businesses that were mainly being discussed were big business. The government doesn't care if a small business fails. Even the larger ones are afraid....bailout means they own you!
    I may not understand your point, or have confused my own. But the same principal applies to all size business. They are stagnant out of fear and uncertainty and caution. Basically, it is not any conspiracy. Just decision making polluted with current economic/political waters muddied to the point of no clear path of rational procedure.

    I do a lot of work fore a multi-million dollar corporation. They are floundering just like me. They put off stuff, delay plans, not a conspiracy but just uncertainty. No different than my business on a tail-gate. Who knows what will happen next?

    Don't misunderstand my friend, we are on the same page.
    Last edited by Tool-Slinger; 08-22-2010 at 07:52 PM. Reason: Clarity.
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    In the end does it really matter if it is a conspiracy or uncertainty? He will not get his hands out of the pockets of business.at the worst possible time We .will have no further improvement without jobs

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolperfect View Post
    In the end does it really matter if it is a conspiracy or uncertainty? He will not get his hands out of the pockets of business.at the worst possible time We .will have no further improvement without jobs
    Agree. The job situation has to turn around. That will solve consumer spending, foreclosures, Yes the job situation is a really big part of the problem. We need real jobs with real people making real money doing real things. The feds cannot do it. And the feds need to back off the backs of business.
    "You boys are really making this thing harder than it has to be". Me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tool-Slinger View Post
    Agree. The job situation has to turn around. That will solve consumer spending, foreclosures, Yes the job situation is a really big part of the problem. We need real jobs with real people making real money doing real things. The feds cannot do it. And the feds need to back off the backs of business.
    And that was the real reason for the stimulus spending throughout the world. As said, the economy does not like uncertainty. The money was dumped in the economy so people would feel that all was not lost and the downhill spiral would stop.

    That was to inspire confidence, with public confidence business would take a chance expanding as people would still be willing to part with a buck. Jobs would entail, inspiring more confidence and so on.

    But it did not work out that way. Canada fared better than the US in this respect as we do not have the gains that you do in good times but we also do not have the downturns you do. Part of the reason is the deregulation that went on and companies that would bet on long shots for the big win.

    Supposedly OB made changes to the banking and financial sector (don't really know as I had not been following it) which will reduce the up and down swings. Mind you this is something that, if works, will effect the economy in the long term and reduce the swings.

    It is almost like the Democrats are more concerned with long term direction of the US rather than the immediate concerns. Commendable, but you do not get any brownie points for it. People are concerned with today. Mind you if you take care of their immediate concerns they tend to give you a freer hand to make changes for the long term.

    They seemed to have missed that point. And it is important as it makes ruling an easier proposition. They forgot that you have to win the trust of the people. They thought that winning the election gave them that trust. They were wrong. It is in your first year that you win the country's trust.

    If the country had a warm and fuzzy feeling about their leader they might have more confidence, which gives business more confidence, and the country gets pulled up by its bootstraps.

    Or at least that is my theory.

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    I mostly agree, but a lot of the demorat spending was a matter of pushing an agenda. The spending has caused problems in and of itself. They didn't really fix anything, just pushed a socialist agenda. Hurt things in the end. Not to debate motivations, there are of course good and bad. But this was the only chance they had. Narrow window of opportunity, now or never. Not so much long term better for the nation, long term better for the socialist agenda.

    Of course the obama plan was to rescue the economy by throwing money at it like you said, conceptually that is probably not a bad idea. But it is a little third-gradish to expect it to actually work like so many liberal concepts.

    But if we talk about democrat voters, I agree they have only the best interest of the USA in mind. As a group. Many are independents. Were. Yes, dems have lost confidence. This has been a total disaster of a political cycle. Economic ruin. Part of it is just a matter of circumstances beyond control.

    You know what the worst part of it may be? We may elect republicans in droves just for another CHANGE and those weasels may be just as bad.
    "You boys are really making this thing harder than it has to be". Me

    "Who ARE you people? And WHAT are you doing in my SWAMP!?" Shrek

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tool-Slinger View Post
    You know what the worst part of it may be? We may elect republicans in droves just for another CHANGE and those weasels may be just as bad.
    And I would not bet money against it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    And I would not bet money against it.
    I tend to agree. I am not hearing much from the right on how to get us out of this mess. It will still be politician VS politician.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdrake65 View Post
    I tend to agree. I am not hearing much from the right on how to get us out of this mess. It will still be politician VS politician.
    I'd lend you a good Canadian politician but we are in short supply ourselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolperfect View Post
    In the end does it really matter if it is a conspiracy or uncertainty? He will not get his hands out of the pockets of business.at the worst possible time We .will have no further improvement without jobs
    dang...I didn't know I was gonna end up agreeing with you..

    Businesses are now worried about how the 'health care reform' is going to glut their companies. Businesses that aren't insurance companies aren't in it to make sure you get health care, they are in it to create/serve/manufacture etc. whatever product they deal with. These businesses have suddenly been told they are responsible for the healthcare of every worker they employee and that worker's family--and if they don't do it right they will be fined. Additionally the costs they have traditionally borne for their employees will most likely increase by a tremendous amount that no one can predict right now. And if they don't comply they will be fined.

    Pretty much they know costs of operations will increase for the payroll they currently have. Why should they increase their payroll?
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