Propane filled R22 equipment injures HVAC tech
Just recently, a New Zealand technician got fire balled in the face when he was working on a R22 system filled with unscented propane and was marked as R22. It was filled by an unscrupulous It somehow caught fire.
Two years ago, a system holding 175 lbs of propane refrigerant leaked, caught fire and killed a fire fighter.
People were using propane in place of R12 in the 1990's too. In fact, Snap On Tools was selling a refrigerant and gas identifier made by TIF because they thought it was going to be a widespread problem.
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I have not come across this in the states but would not be surpised with the quality of work being done. Propain is cheap compared to r22/r410 so your gonna have those issues. I feel for those guys that have been injured, If I ever found a unit like that I would do my best to make it known who did the hack work on it.. ...
Back when I was in automotive A/C I heard of it happening in cars while people where driving. Someone had filled a/c with propane and evap coil leaked it into the car until it found a spark.
Not propane but, an interesting read anyway.
I know of a few techs around here using it. It worries me.
I hope these guys get shut down - http://www.redtek.com/products_refr.html#
R22a is propane.
The worst part of it is that they sell it through Canadian tire (a big box hardware/automotive chain).
I've discovered a natural law - everything gets progressively worse. Things only break down and become depleted. Life isn't worth living and everything is going to hell.
Death is the messiah. Everything else is irrelevant and arbitrary.
Wal-Mart here has it too. You should see the kits they sell with the pressure gauges that read : EMPTY, UNDER, FULL, OVERCHARGED. No numbers. Nothing a PT chart could help you with. Just 5 zones on a gauge.
Originally Posted by amd
That stuff should be banned. That's just a fly by night business idea. People have no idea how to troubleshoot their systems and think "Freon" just dies off and goes away over time. No. Thats called a leak. And who would want something like that under the hood of a car in a first place? Too bad you don't need an ODS card to buy it. It may not damage the o-zone layer but use it wrong and youll blow yourself and your car sky high.
Get money, get paid.
Anyone putting flammible gas in a compressed system is a douse bag and needs to be banned
I have used it quite extensively!
It's used in ultra cold cascade systems as a means of anti waxing and oil return. It's needed for the low inner evap temps to get the box down to -180°C. Been in these compressed systems forever. Oderless, purified and flamable as hell.
They mean exactly as they print...Service to be performed by qualified personnell only.
It is criminal to use R209 in a system that is not designed for it. Geez can you imagine...the hacks out there running reefer lines in a residential setting. I guess you'd just tee off your propane tank and not have to worry about the gas and go service calls! It would be like an iv. Or at least as deadly as one with an air bubble in it.
opps!...excuse the fat finger typo...it's R290. Necesary stuff!
Well the bad thing is they sell it. I think it shouldn't be legal, because what happens when they put it in a heat pump with dual fuel and it leaks?
I used to work on the systems in a popular upstate s.c. restaurant, found out the owner had the ref. switched to propane,we dropped his contract.
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