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    EPA Mommy Brings the Hammer Down

    Our good buddy has issued the new list of refrigerants (which you all know and love) that will be "unacceptable" between 2016 and 2020.

    And so it goes.

    http://contractingbusiness.com/refri...ou-didnt-order
    Terry McIver, Content Director, ContractingBusiness.com magazine.

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    I'm gonna need a bigger truck

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    what the heck does this mean for us?
    TACLB16522C

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timber View Post
    what the heck does this mean for us?
    If you're in the comfort cooling business it means nothing. If you're in refrigeration it means you're going to see some new refrigerants in new equipment. Nothing changes yet in terms of servicing existing equipment.

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    That is quite a list there.
    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety".

    TACLB28744E

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    We must save the environment. Frigerant is bad for the environment.

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    More insanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galt View Post
    More work.
    I fixed it for you.


    Guys, get used to something.

    The ONLY constant in this world is change. It isn't the strong that survive, but the most adaptable.

    So, either adapt or get out of my way.

    I'm already studying and learning and preparing myself for these coming changes rather than b***hing about them on the interwebs.

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    just completed an 18 unit install all copeland XJAL and XJAM R404A in less than a year this job will be prohibited. How do you plan large jobs. Where are the Propane,CO2, and Ammonia prep classes. I started in this business with R12,Sulphur Dioxide And Methyl Chloride. Where will it end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpsmith1cm View Post

    Guys, get used to something.

    The ONLY constant in this world is change. It isn't the strong that survive, but the most adaptable.

    So, either adapt or get out of my way.

    I'm already studying and learning and preparing myself for these coming changes rather than b***hing about them on the interwebs.


    Learn all you can about what changes are coming and what you need to do to be ready for them. If you don't, the guy that did will take your place.

    Look at all of these changes as an opportunity, not only for you to become a more valuable employee but for your boss to take the changes as a profit generator.

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    There are not that many refrigerants around.
    143a, 125, 134a and 32.

    143a is getting cut.

    125/134a blends fill in for 22 and 404A
    Part of 125 is substituted with 32 to further reduce GWP.
    So, everything out there are blends of those three + additives like 600a.
    Who can comment on 422E by the way?
    http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread....drop-in-R-422E

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    Hmmm..... we're still trying to get our customers to switch from r22 to r404a, literally had three proposals today on old rotten r22 equipment... sad to think by next year we'll be telling them the ridiculous story, "oh that refrigerant is obsolete now even though we just sold you the equipment last year!"

    Not saying our installs only last a year, but you know what I mean...

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    I have no issue with changing, it's part of life and work. However, I do have an issue with AC getting years to prepare and do R&D for R22 to R410A, when refrigeration gets almost no time to plan even though there are far more applications. Granted everyone knew it would be coming, but they also didn't have a good idea of when either.

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