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    Quote Originally Posted by k_fridge View Post
    The constitution says nothing about marriage.
    But is does say something about due process and equal protection under the law. These two constitutional rights are the basis for the judge's decision.


    It's a state's right, the feds need to keep their nose out of it.
    The Federal gov. didn't bring this lawsuit.

    As to states passing laws governing race in marriage, that would likely be in-conflict with federal civil rights laws. But sexual orientation has no such protection.
    Sexual orientation is protected from discrimination just the same as race.

    Civil rights extend to all people regardless of gender, religion, race, sexual orientation, age, national origin, and physical or mental disability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    Well obviously they didn't convince the gay judge that he and his gay lover should not be allowed to marry. With the cards stacked like that I wonder why the state even wasted there time just let the gay judge rule for his gay "buddies" and then appeal the gay decision. Thank you, thank you very much
    You did not bother to read any of the ruling did you? It really does come down to some simple questions on whether the states have the authority to decide who can marry who. Whether them doing so steps on the rights of its citizens. Just because it is 'funny' that a gay judge presided over the case does not change the legal context.

    If the judge made mistakes during the trial his (or she depending on the time of day) decision would be overturned upon appeal. I am sure he knew this and had a stake in not coming down with a bogus decision.

    That being said it will be appealed because the proponents of the ban on gay marriage are probably not the type to let this lie. So it is going to the Supreme Court. And unless they come up with better arguments than they did in the state level, their actions may cause gay marriage to be legal throughout the US if the Supreme court so rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geerair View Post
    But is does say something about due process and equal protection under the law. These two constitutional rights are the basis for the judge's decision.
    Protection from what? His decision is a huge stretch. States are allowed a certain amount of discrimination in governing marriage. Many states dont' allow you to marry your sister. Other states have rules concerning blood types, mental illness, etc. And do we need to get into the subject of marrying critters (well, you do live in Texas LOL)?


    The Federal gov. didn't bring this lawsuit.
    Yes, I know. I was responding to a question about the constitution.

    Sexual orientation is protected from discrimination just the same as race.
    Not exactly. There are some laws concerning sexual discrimination, but they are more to protect people from things like discrimination in the workplace, etc. Sexuality doesn't have any special laws protecting it.

    Civil rights extend to all people regardless of gender, religion, race, sexual orientation, age, national origin, and physical or mental disability.
    Yes, but there are still exceptions and limitations. Teachers aren't allowed to exercise their religion while in the classroom. Women aren't allowed to do certain jobs in the armed forces. People with certain disabilities don't qualify for some jobs. Ex: civil rights laws don't force me to hire a quadriplegic to do rooftop HVAC work.

    And states have the right to govern marriage.

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    Guys ( you liberals )
    For me this is not about what the state or federal government thinks.
    This is about the vast majority of people who voted against gay marriage.
    As we have seen so much of lately...the will of the people doesn't count.

    Homosexuality is TOTALLY against the laws of NATURE.
    I do NOT want my children or grandchildren to have to be told that all the morals & decencies that I & their parents try to teach them are wrong & the ideas of the minority are being FORCED upon them, against the will of the PARENTS. They have enough problems to deal with in todays world, they don't need to be 'brainwashed' / manipulated by our governmental PC policies.
    It all about the majority SHOULD rule................

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    Quote Originally Posted by geerair View Post
    Great Caesar's Ghost.............Judge Homo Walker was nominated to the bench by none other than Cowboy Ronnie.

    I feel bad for you brother but sometimes we find out our hero's feet are of clay.
    Wow now geer says Regan appointed the gay Judge Walker to the Supremes. My my how wrong can you be. How many other miss-truths have you posted?

    Did you even bother to read the link to wiki. It clearly states that he was nominated by H. W. Bush in Sept 89 a good nine months after the last great President, Ronald Regan left office.

    Now it has been said my me and others ad-nauseum that both Bushs were wimps and liberal Republicans who caved to almost every spending increase the socialist Democratic Congress passed. Especially on Federal judge nominations. Sadly Judge Walker was no exception. Thank you, thank you very much
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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    Wow now geer says Regan appointed the gay Judge Walker to the Supremes. My my how wrong can you be. How many other miss-truths have you posted?

    Did you even bother to read the link to wiki. It clearly states that he was nominated by H. W. Bush in Sept 89 a good nine months after the last great President, Ronald Regan left office.

    Now it has been said my me and others ad-nauseum that both Bushs were wimps and liberal Republicans who caved to almost every spending increase the socialist Democratic Congress passed. Especially on Federal judge nominations. Sadly Judge Walker was no exception. Thank you, thank you very much
    Actually he was nominated under Reagan but he could not pass thru senate confirmation. He was renominated under Bush 41 and got thru confirmation.
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    I don't think who nominated the guy is relevant.

    1-a prez should nominate according to qualifications, not philosophy.

    2-every prez has made nominations that turned out to be mistakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    Where in the constitution does it say gays can not get married?
    Where does it say they can? "Marriage" is a social institution in which literally all precident and tradition for comes from theological sources. So, homosexuals are attacking the core beliefs of theology when they insist on being considered "married".

    There is no reason that homosexuals cannot have the same rights of heterosexual marriage under the term of civil union.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k_fridge View Post
    I don't think who nominated the guy is relevant.

    1-a prez should nominate according to qualifications, not philosophy.

    2-every prez has made nominations that turned out to be mistakes.
    That's true I was just trying to be accurate. It may be relevant that he was known to be gay. Could a republican nominate an open gay judge today?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    That's true I was just trying to be accurate. It may be relevant that he was known to be gay. Could a republican nominate an open gay judge today?
    He'd catch hell from his constituents about it.

    Ideally, a the personal life or opinions of a judge shouldn't be a part of his qualifications or decisions. A judge's job is to interpret the law, not rewrite it according to his/her personal opinions.

    Sadly, it doesn't work that way in reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    So if a state votes and passes a law that a black man has to enter a place of business by the back door then the states have the right to do it?
    No, because that violates the rights of all Americans. Being Black should not even be part of the equation. A person does not choose to be Black. All social behaviour is chosen behaviour. Even if it were able to be proven that a person is born with some sort of need to violate so many of God's designs for mankind, that person can still choose to not do so. After all, just because I was born to dominate all beautiful women as I see fit to do does not mean that there is going to be a law made forcing all of those women to comply......or.....maybe we could pass that law if enough of us whine about our "rights"
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    Quote Originally Posted by k_fridge View Post
    The constitution says nothing about marriage. It's a state's right, the feds need to keep their nose out of it.

    As to states passing laws governing race in marriage, that would likely be in-conflict with federal civil rights laws. But sexual orientation has no such protection.
    And for this reason I say let California be the State where homosexual couples live in peace and harmony as married persons. Hell, let them be bigomist's as well so they can have whole families of married homo's. That way all of the homo's can have a place to live how they want to. Just don't let that be a precedent to force all other States to be homo havens. I have no problem with all of America's fags and ugly lesbos living on the left coast as long as I can live in a place where my rights are catered to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k_fridge View Post
    He'd catch hell from his constituents about it.

    Ideally, a the personal life or opinions of a judge shouldn't be a part of his qualifications or decisions. A judge's job is to interpret the law, not rewrite it according to his/her personal opinions.

    Sadly, it doesn't work that way in reality.
    If you read through past rulings you will find he does not always rule in favor of gays. This case from how I understand it had a narrow scope. Prop 8 was a flawed law and it was unwise to push it. In the end it may be what ultimately gives gays and lesbians true equal rights.
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