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  1. #14
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    And who gets to pay for a new roof jack when you destroy the old one removing it?
    There are 3 ways to do anything in life; Good, Fast, Slow: You can pick any 2.

  2. #15
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    Well I did the "Upgrade" in shope today on a used furnace. Took about 1.75 hours on the first try. Forgot to bring home the #'s.

    Hanging the shields was kinda a pain, and installing the shroud that has a manual reset limit is also kinda a pain. No way we will make money on this though, unless out rate was higher lol.

    As for the heat exchanger, Im guessing 5 hours minimum IF the Exhaust stack is rust free, which I have yet to see on ANY of these furnaces in Minnesota... I have about 25 of these to do next week...I dont actually expect to find many or any that are cracked, I will tell ya if I do. Hope I dont at least !
    You picked a fine time to leave me loose wheel...

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  3. #16
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    Originally posted by MechAcc
    What's the Coleman Service Bulletin Number?
    the # I have is 888-665-4640

    I called, the customer called, and no one called back.

  4. #17
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    Ive installed a lot of Colemans too.I still believe they should stay in the camping(lights stoves etc) industry. To be honest,I fight with thier stuff when I go camping too. Intertherm @ Miller arnt any better. One of the main reasons I dont own a mod/ mobile home.

  5. #18
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    The recall info is on pdf file at coleman's web site: http://www.colemanac.com/

  6. #19
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    I have 5 inspections scheduled already and people just now are starting to get thier letters. We are the only ones within 200 miles of our shop that can do this

    I noticed that nothing is mentioned about rust......with condensation being the problem there should be something about that. I looked at one today that is rusty enough I think if I poked a screwdriver at it it would go through fairly easily.

    And what's up with the stainless ring between the Hx and the cabinet? I haven't got the video yet so all I've seen is the PDF listed above....looks like a WHOLE bunch of fun

    The times allowed.....I swear they had some super-tech do that like 20 times to get real good at it and then that's the time we're allowed. I know how things work for me, the stupid shields won't fit worth a damn or something .

    Also, is there anything saying we can't.....do inspections now but then do the remediation say in January or Febuary when the rush of PMs is over?

    [Edited by i_got_ideas on 09-25-2004 at 03:26 AM]
    There are 3 ways to do anything in life; Good, Fast, Slow: You can pick any 2.

  7. #20
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    DGAT Program

    I am a participating dealer in western Canada.

    The labour allowance for these upgrades I find is fair.
    I would like to see a bit more for the travel, but I have been trying to group calls in common areas together so I can do less travel, so it can work.

    I have been doing about 15 of these calls so far and they have gone well.

    For the heat exchanger upgrade ( 3 stainless steel panels and aux. limit kit)
    They take you just a little over 1 hr to do. And that includes furnace start up and check. ( Temp rise, man. pressure and static pressure check)

    For complete heat exchanger replacement - they are quite easy- 3 hrs. They allow you 4 hrs so I make an extra hour.
    Again that time includes the furnace start up and check.

    I did have one with a rotted chimney - Sold the customer a new chimney and extension above and beyond.

    Hope this helps

    Servicepro


  8. #21
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    Thanks SP. It's nice to hear from someone that's done a few. I have a feeling I'll be needing some new roofjacks too.
    There are 3 ways to do anything in life; Good, Fast, Slow: You can pick any 2.

  9. #22
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    Originally posted by i_got_ideas
    I have 5 inspections scheduled already and people just now are starting to get thier letters. We are the only ones within 200 miles of our shop that can do this


    Hey Van's Systems http://www.vanssystems.com/ in Stockton, Iowa spelializes in doing only manufactured home furnaces.


  10. #23
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    ServicePro..

    Over here I would say 90% of our heat exc replacements will need now Roofjacks. Also, on the ones you did how are you getting at the upper boltys that hold the heat exc in? Without leaning the furnace out..

    Doing the swap, errr, upgrade in a litlle over an hour I can see. But the heat exch, seems unreal unless its rust free.

    Whats your avg temp around there in the winter? Curious.

    Chad.
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  11. #24
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    Originally posted by MechAcc
    Originally posted by i_got_ideas
    I have 5 inspections scheduled already and people just now are starting to get thier letters. We are the only ones within 200 miles of our shop that can do this


    Hey Van's Systems http://www.vanssystems.com/ in Stockton, Iowa spelializes in doing only manufactured home furnaces.

    HUH, they didn't show up on the Coleman website for doing the remediation work. But then neither do we yet since we just mailed in our paperwork on Friday. That'll be nice, I don't want to do 'em all. We're totally swamped as is, this is going to be a busy winter, I can feel it in my bones .
    There are 3 ways to do anything in life; Good, Fast, Slow: You can pick any 2.

  12. #25
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    For some of the unis in the worst shape I plan on at least trying a few new unit sales. I doubt anyone will buy but it never hurts to try.
    There are 3 ways to do anything in life; Good, Fast, Slow: You can pick any 2.

  13. #26
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    Chad711

    Hi Chad

    All with the exception of one went well. The one with the rotted chimney, I just had to cut the bottom part of the chimney away to remove the chimney so the bolts could be accessed. Removed the bolts with a 7/16 socket. Of course the bottom of the heat exchanger was support with wood blocks. Removed the heat exchanger and replaced. Then installed new chimney and extension kit (High Snow).
    Most of the mobile homes up here have access panels that can be removed so you can get at where the chimney is screwed to the furnace.

    Answer to your second question.
    I could tell you that our avg coldest temp according to Man J puts us at -27 f (-32C) but we tend to dip colder in Jan/Feb. But lots of sunshine.
    I am from a suburb just outside Edmonton and believe it or not Edmonton and somehwere in Arizona have the most hours of sunlight per year than anywhere in N America.
    Cold...but sunny

    Hope this helps
    Servicepro

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