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  1. #1
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    Recieved a video and info on the Coleman mobile home furnaces . I already knew they were a bad system, but mainly only in real cold climate like Minnesota. Exhaust probs take out the Pipe, and heat exc. (condensate issues)

    So I watch this video tonight, what a a pain. Inspecting these units, and putting in a shield if they arent cracked, and installing a new one real pita if they are. Anyone else watch this video or hear about this. We are lining up the calls for this right now, looks like my next coupkle months are lined up. Oh well its work.
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    NO, but we sell Coleman mobile home units here in Iowa.

    They have a problem even with the units that have the sheild. Where the shield is riveted to the Hx it rusts right there and I've even seen cracks starting from these rivets.

    I'll have to do some checking on that issue though, work is work.
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    I agree work is work but why even go that far if the fix is not the fix.

    Just wonder why is there a condensate issue? Anyone checking
    draft and stack temp to see whats going on?




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    Chad! Are you saying that if you find a rivet broke off the shield in the heat exchanger, Coleman is now expecting us to replace just the sheild with new rivets instead of replacing the whole heat ex? I've changed out a total of three heat exchangers on Colemans. After the last one I decided to stop replacing them because they are such a pain. Trying to get the two pipes off the top of the heat exchanger are just too much of a pain in the ass. I now tell the customer that I will replace their entire unit with a new Miller furnace/roofjack. It should'nt take two people to change out any heat exchanger like it does with Colemans. Between fighting with their heat exchangers and their poor tech service, I gave up on them long ago.

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    Chad711, are you talking about the 95 to 2000 units.

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    We just sent in the paperwork to do the remediation work today. There is hundreds of those Colemans around here but no remediation dealer, so we'll be the only.
    Apparently mobile home owners are getting letters about it. I had a guy call today to see if we can do the work and I thought, hmmmmm I just saw something about that last night .
    It looks like I'll be doing a lot of these jobs, yippie .
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    What's the Coleman Service Bulletin Number?

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    Yes, these units have horrible condensing problems here in Minnesota, however Coleman/Intertherm/Nordyne whatever, denies it. Ive posted this in a few threads in the past, basically in cold areas like here, when its 0 out or colder, which it is most of the winter, the exhaust cannot get hot enough, and condenses down the pipe, into the heat exc. I have seen MANY 3-4 year old systems with rusted through exhaust, which causes lockout because of poor, moving around flame and missing the flame sensor.

    I called them and the guys I have talked to say we have never seen/heard of this LOL. Right..

    Anyways, this Video/paperwork stuff we recieved shows how to inspect, then if the heat exc. is cracked or distorted, REPLACE he Heat Exc. Get this, they pay for 3.5 hours of labor LMAO! They show a fella doing it (not installed in a room) like its easy. Its not, especially when you have to tear the roofjack off, which like I said is ALWAYS rusted here, and will usually be destroyed in he process. If they expect us to do this int he winter add another 1.5 hours to melt the roof lol.

    Anyways, they will pay 1 HOUR for the "Upgrade" (lol is that possible) kit, for the ones that are not cracked or bulged. This requires pulling the from apart, setting these 3 "sields" in (pita) bolt them together, then change the orifice, which I would say 25% of them around here are so rusted in you need to take a hot wrench to em first of they will NOT come out. Then pull the blower Mtr, then the frame apart, put in some other shield, that has another limit swith, put it all back together. 1 HOUR! LMAO!

    I talked with my service mgr, sure we will do this for the customer however I KNOW none of these will go in under that time. Sure I bet I could do one in under an hour, if I was looking at a NEW furnace sitting in a room, with all the srews rust free. They dont realize, at Coleman, that these units are framed around with NO clearances, usually you cant even GET at the 3 upper botls that you need to remove, to pull the exc, without removing the furnace.

    I have no problems going out and doing this stuff, but they cant expect it to be done in 1 hour, or 3.5 for the changeout. Oh yeah they pay a $25 trip charge I guess I should add. What about the time on the phone, etc. Im expecting it to be at least 3 hours for the "upgrade" and 5-6 for the exc IF the roofjack isnt destroyed. And do you think the customer is going to want to pay $300 for a new roofjack? Uhh-Uhh...


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    Originally posted by beenthere
    Chad711, are you talking about the 95 to 2000 units.

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    Not sure, turned the paperwork back in at the shop. Ill find out tomorrow. I think the answer is Yes.
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    Originally posted by i_got_ideas
    We just sent in the paperwork to do the remediation work today. There is hundreds of those Colemans around here but no remediation dealer, so we'll be the only.
    Apparently mobile home owners are getting letters about it. I had a guy call today to see if we can do the work and I thought, hmmmmm I just saw something about that last night .
    It looks like I'll be doing a lot of these jobs, yippie .

    What do you think about the time they will pay?
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    Originally posted by MechAcc
    What's the Coleman Service Bulletin Number?

    Ill have to get if tomorrow...
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    Originally posted by Chad711
    Yes, these units have horrible condensing problems here in Minnesota, however Coleman/Intertherm/Nordyne whatever, denies it. Ive posted this in a few threads in the past, basically in cold areas like here, when its 0 out or colder, which it is most of the winter, the exhaust cannot get hot enough, and condenses down the pipe, into the heat exc. I have seen MANY 3-4 year old systems with rusted through exhaust, which causes lockout because of poor, moving around flame and missing the flame sensor.

    I called them and the guys I have talked to say we have never seen/heard of this LOL. Right..

    Anyways, this Video/paperwork stuff we recieved shows how to inspect, then if the heat exc. is cracked or distorted, REPLACE he Heat Exc. Get this, they pay for 3.5 hours of labor LMAO! They show a fella doing it (not installed in a room) like its easy. Its not, especially when you have to tear the roofjack off, which like I said is ALWAYS rusted here, and will usually be destroyed in he process. If they expect us to do this int he winter add another 1.5 hours to melt the roof lol.

    Anyways, they will pay 1 HOUR for the "Upgrade" (lol is that possible) kit, for the ones that are not cracked or bulged. This requires pulling the from apart, setting these 3 "sields" in (pita) bolt them together, then change the orifice, which I would say 25% of them around here are so rusted in you need to take a hot wrench to em first of they will NOT come out. Then pull the blower Mtr, then the frame apart, put in some other shield, that has another limit swith, put it all back together. 1 HOUR! LMAO!

    I talked with my service mgr, sure we will do this for the customer however I KNOW none of these will go in under that time. Sure I bet I could do one in under an hour, if I was looking at a NEW furnace sitting in a room, with all the srews rust free. They dont realize, at Coleman, that these units are framed around with NO clearances, usually you cant even GET at the 3 upper botls that you need to remove, to pull the exc, without removing the furnace.

    I have no problems going out and doing this stuff, but they cant expect it to be done in 1 hour, or 3.5 for the changeout. Oh yeah they pay a $25 trip charge I guess I should add. What about the time on the phone, etc. Im expecting it to be at least 3 hours for the "upgrade" and 5-6 for the exc IF the roofjack isnt destroyed. And do you think the customer is going to want to pay $300 for a new roofjack? Uhh-Uhh...


    Sounds like less time to completely changeout furnace and roofjack !

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    That's not what they told us!!!!!!

    They said we get 1/2 hour and $25 per inspection....never said anything about taking off roof jack.

    They did say the 1 hour for the upgrade and 3.5 hours for changing the heat exchanger though.

    Either way it sounds like a losing proposition. We are going to do it though and hopefully it'll lead to a couple new unit sales.

    I'll have to check on that roff jack thing, that sucks.
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