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    Quote Originally Posted by frostman View Post
    Nothing changes on this site I see. Still the same group of right wing nut jobs complaining about Obama, while, I presume, supporting even nuttier tea party candidates. Where is unemployment still so high? There's a handful of states where it's high that's keeping the rate up. In a lot of places it has fallen. Almost all of the people I know who lost their jobs are back to work. Most at the same job. As for Obama being a one term president, I think Obamas re-election chances will be greatly helped if the Republicans take back the house in November. If that happens it wont take the American people 3 months to realize it was a mistake putting the GOP back in charge, and Obamas numbers will go right back up. Obama isn't the greatest, but he sure beats any Republican out there, especially the ones in congress. You right wingers complain and complain, but i've yet to hear one thing from the right about how they would actually fix this mess. Putting people like Rand Paul in the senate is only gonna make the situation worse. Thankfully the American people are starting to reject the Tea Baggers, so I guess all hope isn't lost yet.
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    name calling

    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    Fine

    Read the previous post. That was a very measured response back at his name calling accusations. Hell read almost every post. A liberal finally responds in kind and all things must cease. I guess I get the rules around here. If the namecalling stops I'll be very happy, thank you
    JIm Theres a double standard here that allows some * with many posts * to call others names ( lets say 5o k post just for kicks ) Others can say anything and people dont see it ... You on the other hand seem to be singled out for having an opinion .... I read the thread and saw nothing you did wrong ....The problem here is they know your right .... So their best come back is ( your breaking the rules ) Looks to me like the Fox is gauarding the hen house in here ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    Reagan moved us from being a creditor nation to the largest debtor nation, moved us from a manufacturing nation to a consumer based economy. Which is at the core of our problem today. Increased the debt 450%, job growth under him just kept up with the increase in population. If you were alive then you should know this. If not you should know it anyway. Learn some history.
    "Squandered" lol Clinton ran a surplus LOL

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaganomics
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    Reagan's policies are recognized by some (but not all, for example economist James K. Galbraith makes a very different case in his 2009 book "How Conservatives Abandoned the Free Market and Why Liberals Should Too") as bringing about one of the longest peacetime expansions in U.S. history.[9] During the Reagan administration, the American economy went from a GDP growth of -0.3% in 1980 to 4.1% in 1988 (in constant 2005 dollars) [10], which reduced the unemployment rate by 1.6%, from 7.1% in 1980 to 5.5% in 1988, but with peaks of around 9.5% in 1982 and 1983.[11] A net job increase of about 16 million also occurred (about the rate of population growth). Reagan’s administration is the only one not to have raised the minimum wage.[12] The inflation rate, 13.5% in 1980, fell to 4.1% in 1988, which was achieved by applying high interest rates by the Federal Reserve (peaked at 20% in June 1981
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    I'd give more credit to Michael Milken then to Reagan for the economy.

    But as to Obama, forget Carter. If one or two things don't go his way, he could end up challenging James Buchanan for the bottom of the list. His potential foreign policy debacles could make the economy seem like a walk in the park.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmac00 View Post
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    There goes that theory
    You proved some of my points in that post. Jobs kept pace with population growth. No mention of debt, Reagan was the first of the big deficit spenders. The democratic congress actually spent less than Reagan asked for. As for Reagan economy doing better. Credit goes in many ways to the Fed. for changing money policy. Reagans economy didnt show any good signs really until his 7th-8th years in office. As far as growth Obama has taken us from negative growth to app 3.5% also. Per Capita growth in dollars was not really very good either though. As was also the case under Bush 1 and 2.

    also no mention of the fact that our economy switched from a manu. base to a consumer base. And the fact that we were a creditor nation under Carter to a debtor nation that we are today.
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    You guys actually should like Carter more than you do because he really wanted to change how Washington DC works but ran into a brickwall. You would have been thankfulid he succeeded. Also he tried to enact serious energy reform that we would all have benefited from today, but Reagan scoffed at it and wanted us to consume and not conserve. As symbolized by Reagan removing the solar panels from the White House.
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    Solar panels even today are a joke...but 1980?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    You proved some of my points in that post. Jobs kept pace with population growth. No mention of debt, Reagan was the first of the big deficit spenders. The democratic congress actually spent less than Reagan asked for. As for Reagan economy doing better. Credit goes in many ways to the Fed. for changing money policy. Reagans economy didnt show any good signs really until his 7th-8th years in office. As far as growth Obama has taken us from negative growth to app 3.5% also. Per Capita growth in dollars was not really very good either though. As was also the case under Bush 1 and 2.

    also no mention of the fact that our economy switched from a manu. base to a consumer base. And the fact that we were a creditor nation under Carter to a debtor nation that we are today.
    you forgot the fact that, in doing so NObama has literally taken over business AND has created the largest debt/deficit in history. You can't even blame GWB for todays deficit and UNCONTROLLED spending by this socialist regime. NObama OWNS this economy. Regardless of what any of his predecessors have done or did, this IS NOBAMA'S ECONOMY

    And Hitlery Clinton announced the United States Government is sending Pakistan $500 Billion dollars to help grow THERE ECONOMY.............

    HELLLOOOOOOO!!!!!!! why is NOBAMA sending Pakistan anything. I guess all the Americans on unemployment should move to Pakistan to get a job. At least when I call for "tech support" I might get someone that speaks English
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmac00 View Post
    you forgot the fact that, in doing so NObama has literally taken over business AND has created the largest debt/deficit in history. You can't even blame GWB for todays deficit and UNCONTROLLED spending by this socialist regime. NObama OWNS this economy. Regardless of what any of his predecessors have done or did, this IS NOBAMA'S ECONOMY

    And Hitlery Clinton announced the United States Government is sending Pakistan $500 Billion dollars to help grow THERE ECONOMY.............

    HELLLOOOOOOO!!!!!!! why is NOBAMA sending Pakistan anything. I guess all the Americans on unemployment should move to Pakistan to get a job. At least when I call for "tech support" I might get someone that speaks English
    Actually, you CAN blame Bush for part of this deficit. It isn't all Obama's. Try listening to something other than Rush and Glen and you might know that. And this isn't Obama's economy. And as for the uncontrolled spending...who started the bank bailouts? Who turned a "surplus" into a massive debt? Get your facts straight. Were you saying it was all Bush's fault when the deficit was soaring and the recession was setting in? Was it Bush's economy then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob hubbard View Post
    JIm Theres a double standard here that allows some * with many posts * to call others names ( lets say 5o k post just for kicks ) Others can say anything and people dont see it ... You on the other hand seem to be singled out for having an opinion .... I read the thread and saw nothing you did wrong ....The problem here is they know your right .... So their best come back is ( your breaking the rules ) Looks to me like the Fox is gauarding the hen house in here ....
    These right wing blow hards don't like it when their rants are interrupted by people who don't share their idiotic beliefs. They never have an actual factual responce so they just accuse you of name calling and go back to listening to Rush and watching Fox not-quite-News.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    There is no helping you period. The simple fact is that Clinton had to go along with the majority Republicans in Congress because they stuck to their principles and improved the economy.

    Regan forced the liberal but not socialist (read commie loving) Democrats to cut taxes because they wanted to be reelected in districts where the majority of voters were true Americans and not poisoned with the welfare socialist's mindset. But that is over your head or like most socialists refuse to admit it. Thank you very much
    There you go with another bogus claim that you don't try to back up with facts. Reagan raised taxes as much as he lowered them. Go ahead, look it up. I'm presuming you know how to find sites that don't just feed your paranoid mind. And the deficit, you know, that thing you nuts seem to be so worried about, grew more under Reagan that it has under any other president in the last 30 years. Tax cuts, HAVE TO BE PAID FOR. I don't know what it is about the mind set of conservatives that prevents you people not understanding that. And what did the Republicans do to improve the economy when Clinton was president????? There hasn't been a Republican idea that has helped anybody but the richest people in this country in many, many years. Can't wait to see your response. I'm guessing I get called a communist at least twice and a socialist at least once. That's your typical response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob hubbard View Post
    JIm Theres a double standard here that allows some * with many posts * to call others names ( lets say 5o k post just for kicks ) Others can say anything and people dont see it ... You on the other hand seem to be singled out for having an opinion .... I read the thread and saw nothing you did wrong ....The problem here is they know your right .... So their best come back is ( your breaking the rules ) Looks to me like the Fox is gauarding the hen house in here ....
    Well now bobbyboy, I'm the only one here that fits your description and I never mentioned any breaking of the rules. Just what does that make you? (insert derogatory name here)
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    Guys...if the insults don't stop from all sides, I will close the thread. We're supposed to be grown-ups here, and professionals in our field. Some of the language used here reminds me of kids on a playground.

    Go back to your discussion, but please keep it civil.

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