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  1. #1
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    Yeah, that no child left behind act is just great.

    Here in Iowa our schools faced huge budget cuts. We can't afford anymore teachers and kids are taking class in locker rooms, boiler rooms, and teacher's lounges. On average in our area of the state each school is over crowded by no less than 200 students and under staffed severely. Many schools have dropped physical education, after school activities and they are now eliminating shop classes. To save money the middle school and high school now let kids leave for lunch, since it costs money to staff the kitchen. They were able to cut kitchen staffs in half but now some kids only have a Marlboro for lunch, some leave and don't go back. As far as I can tell if Bush gets 4 more years our kids will be attending school for core classes only and being sent home since the schools won't be able to pay to keep the power on.

    If this was suppose to be better for our kids he was DEAD wrong and I pray for the future generations that he doesn't get 4 more years to cause further domestic destruction.

    Now I know this is going to get the Bush Cult all fired up but I state facts as I see them, that's all. Infact I believe John Kerry voted for the No child left behind act. However, he thought it would be funded, when in reality the funding was nearly entirely cut. He full intends to recend the act while Bush, even with the clear proof it doesn't work plans to deapen it's wound it has inflicted on our schools. Next thing you know Bush will get rid of financial assistance programs for college, OH wait he already did that .

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    There is always

    Home schooling or private education. Public education should be abolished. It's the worst socialist experiment that ever existed. Also it's the greatest drain on local tax bases.

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    Besides, money has never been the answer to education woes.

    The largest education fiscal budget in the U.S. is in D.C. They also have the worst education system in the nation.

    The biggest education problem, by far, is lack of parental involvement. The only time MOST parents get involved is when their kid has gotten into trouble. Heck, it's too late then. Parenting is a 24/7 job.

    If you both work while "raising" elementary/middle school age kids, shame on you. You heard me...shame on you. That is an indication that boating, golfing, or whatever relatively expensive little hobby you have is more important than your kids.

    It's all a matter of prioriies.

    Don't give me this thing about single parents. There are always exceptions to the rule and what I have just posted does not pertain to them. Thing is, if all 2 parent families would be involved 24/7 in their kids' lives, then their kids would be better behaved and better educated. That would give a better chance to the single-parent kids a chance to see how they are supposed to act. Peer pressure is a major influence.

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    Don't blame the current administration for the school woe's.
    Pres Bush gave the schools more money than they were asking for, and they still don't have enough??
    What does that tell you?
    Bush wanted to be the education president and the schools blew it. Bootlen is right money is not the answer to the school problem/
    If administration and teachers were to be held accountable, we would have more efficient schools and teaching methods. As it is, only private and home schools are making the GRADE.

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    Here our teachers get 10percent rasises,tons of liberal arts stuff but they wanna bash the current administration for funding woes when they will never,ever settle for less of a raise.

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    Originally posted by bootlen
    Besides, money has never been the answer to education woes.
    The biggest education problem, by far, is lack of parental involvement. The only time MOST parents get involved is when their kid has gotten into trouble.
    I agree 100%, BUT

    There is a ton of waste in the school system just like in any other government agency that could go toward new books and maintenance on the facilities. My kids are not in the "city" public school system anymore, but when they were my sons geography book still had USSR on the map and his American history book had Reagan coming in as President. This was just 2 years ago.

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    Originally posted by mattm
    Originally posted by bootlen
    Besides, money has never been the answer to education woes.
    The biggest education problem, by far, is lack of parental involvement. The only time MOST parents get involved is when their kid has gotten into trouble.
    I agree 100%, BUT

    There is a ton of waste in the school system just like in any other government agency that could go toward new books and maintenance on the facilities. My kids are not in the "city" public school system anymore, but when they were my sons geography book still had USSR on the map and his American history book had Reagan coming in as President. This was just 2 years ago.
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    When I was in school, we had to rent the books. If we damaged them, we had to buy them. Sounds like we need to go back to doing that if we stopped. Otherwise, it sounds like somebody hasn't collected rent money.

    That rental fee helped offset cost of updated books. The education budget was a lot smaller when I was in school but our books were always up to date.

    Agreed that there is corruption in the system. That's what happens when there's a lot of money floating around. Cut back on the money and corruption tends to go away. That, my friend, is human nature.

    I believe that any kids who don't show up to school for an education should be run off campus. Tell 'em to try again next year. We are not guaranteed an education. We are only guaranteed the opportunity of an education. If a kid blows it, he should be the one who loses, not the system or the other kids.
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    Originally posted by i_got_ideas
    Yeah, that no child left behind act is just great.

    Here in Iowa our schools faced huge budget cuts. We can't afford anymore teachers and kids are taking class in locker rooms, boiler rooms, and teacher's lounges. On average in our area of the state each school is over crowded by no less than 200 students and under staffed severely. Many schools have dropped physical education, after school activities and they are now eliminating shop classes. To save money the middle school and high school now let kids leave for lunch, since it costs money to staff the kitchen. They were able to cut kitchen staffs in half but now some kids only have a Marlboro for lunch, some leave and don't go back. As far as I can tell if Bush gets 4 more years our kids will be attending school for core classes only and being sent home since the schools won't be able to pay to keep the power on.

    If this was suppose to be better for our kids he was DEAD wrong and I pray for the future generations that he doesn't get 4 more years to cause further domestic destruction.

    Now I know this is going to get the Bush Cult all fired up but I state facts as I see them, that's all. Infact I believe John Kerry voted for the No child left behind act. However, he thought it would be funded, when in reality the funding was nearly entirely cut. He full intends to recend the act while Bush, even with the clear proof it doesn't work plans to deapen it's wound it has inflicted on our schools. Next thing you know Bush will get rid of financial assistance programs for college, OH wait he already did that .

    Bush........


















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    Did you vote against the millages?

    The schools in my town are overcrowded and old. 2 years in a row the millage didn't pass.

    That means NO NEW SCHOOLS or Programs.

    People did not want their taxes to go up.

    I bet you voted NO huh?

    or you didn't vote at all.



    I got ideas needs to do more thinking. Go back to school boy, you're a mess!!

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    I have no sympathy for public schools. What a waste of taxdollars. I bet the administrators are paid big bucks while they whine and complain about needing more money. If you really care about educating the kids knock out the sports and reinstitute some discipline in the schools. My kids will not go to a public school. Bush's no child left behind is a step in right direction.

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    The Feds pour in over 70 Billion plus last year and a increase over the Clinton Budget. And that is above they money I pay in local property taxes on 5 separate properties. They did a study here and the cost of educating a kid exceeded what two private schools were charging.

    Isn't it uplifting to read about sissy cry babies like the guy that stated this thread crying about money and needing more for schools in his area. If he is a example of the school system there they should get no money at all and close the mother f****s down.

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    the city i live in has the majority, of failing schools in our state, by failing I mean that the children are failing to meet the State standardized testing, these schools have one more year of local control, before the State takes over, no results no more money, more money does not equal smarter children. If you are a failure as a owner operator, you should find a new gig, not put a 3rd mortage on the house to keep going. Same with ED. if you can not get the job done with the money you have, your not getting any more. I do not know all the ins and outs of NCLB but I am all for cutting funding to areas that show no result after a resonable amount of time, I believe the fore- mentioned schools have had 3 years to straighten out.
    Still learning opinions welcome.

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    Turn off their damn TV. Monitor their Internet usage. Get off you damn lazy asses and don't expect the Gov. or someone else to be the only person to tech your kids.

    Or we end up with more people like the one that started this thread.




    [Edited by James 3528 on 09-01-2004 at 09:45 AM]

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    When I read about people complaining about public education, I wonder if they have experienced problems first hand, or are passing on perceived problems they have heard about. I know that public education has served me and my family well.

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