I've seen 13 other countries,in europe,asia,north/central america and the pacific rim.
I've been in "western" countries like european ones or japan and australia. or up and comers like thailand and china and indonesia.and the worse off ones like india and nepal.I've got family living on three continents and six countries.US,england,australia,italy,costa rica,canada
and apart from that I know people from all over the world.
and the seperation that people are feeling these days is caused by pigheadedness,not real differences.
and I have always felt that the US was the best country on earth.besides it being such a beautiful landscape,there was something special about us having a pretend gov't of the people.I say pretend because the republic that this country is,is acting as it always has,where the rubber meets the road.but the story that this country is free,is what this country is all about.these days it is just getting to be a lot less free.
I don't need or want all this "security" that is supposedly there to protect me,but why then should the gov't jackboots be eavesdropping on american citizens,or bothering us at checkpoints on the roads.(are they expecting a roaming band of al-qeada operatives)other countries have had all this hyper security at their airports and streets,but america used to be different.I agree that all of this defensive posturing is giving to the terrorists the victory they want.we would be no less safe if security was tightened sanely,without causing public disruption,and that would not have given the positive reinforcement to the terrorists.
the story of the day is oil.
someone referred to the "oil conspiracy" as a thing that raises prices here in the short term,that is price fixing.conspiracy yes,but not "the oil conspiracy".and loose talk like that lets points be misunderstood.price fixing is what enron and exxon do in the short term to increase profits.
the real story is that of standard oil(refiners)(exxon,mobil,chevron,texaco,conoco,ph illips,sunoco,marathon,aramaco(saudi-american oil co)and the twenty or so other companies the standard oil trust became) and the other two sisters(royal dutch/shell and british petoleum(amoco)aramaco)(luk oil wants to be the fourth sister)
and the offspring in the families(jay rockefeller,george shulz,james baker,george bush,william f buckley,etc.) that have intrests in those companies and their related appointments and friends to high office overseeing the regulation of their industries and their competition.but that is another post.
but too many people here see information in a "fuzzy" way.to have anything but a cursory discussion.too bad.
they can't see the difference of criticism directed at the "leaders" of a nation,compared to criticism of a nation.nevermind actual criticism of certain things someoneone does,while not attacking the persons whole record.
I go off on things done and the people doing them,and a bunch of you guys think that is "unpatriotic".because you :
a)either don't really understand or know about what I'm talking about,and are saving face by just name calling
b)are a victim of disinformation,and believe what james woolsey or some other council member(authoratative expert in the field) told you on some talk show,whose main purpose was to conceal the truest representation of facts with spin and innuendo.
in other words "you just don't get it"
and you should.
classical,you started this post ,why?
what does service in the military prove?nothing..
so thats it for me now.
I'm just crashing your little republican love fest,I know some of you guys hate anything that is not what you are,gullible.and republican.
(sorry,for taking up space to the rational ones out there,have a good day.)
I definately agree that this country has it good,and it is worth fighting for.and noble to do so.
there is no country better.
that is why I try to look at the issues above this partisan bickering.I don't dis people because they are repub or democrat(like some)but more so because they are part of the "uberfuhrer" set.
if you have ever seen any of my lists of members of the council on foreign relations(a front group that is a good example of the bi-partisan raping of the good in this country)and a bi-partisan group that deserves scrutiny and to be exposed .if for no other reason then to show the many how the few tend to operate. so they (the many)will know who to hold accountable(at this point no one is.the dems blame the repubs,and visa-versa.)but both parties are run by members of the council,who before 9-11 were discussing everything with each other.so the "mishaps" that happened are not from "ignorance' as they claim.they made their investments in the region safe,just not the people.
and for you guys that love the country enough to put your lives on hold for it,I would think would rather have a transparent gov't.Isn't that what you were fighting for?liberty and justice?not partisanship and secrets.and propaganda.
the fact that this gov't relies on propaganda to lead its people(in the name of dem/repub),is a sign that there are rats in the kitchen.
people have the right to have their own opinion.
but what gives these party loyals the right to disseminate their own facts?
[Edited by remember on 09-05-2004 at 08:58 AM]