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  1. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by klove View Post
    ...this is about the most arrogant statement that I've ever heard made...
    oh come on...you have been on here for over a year and a half...the MOST arrogant?


    Quote Originally Posted by klove View Post
    ...I personally wouldn't let a mechanic into a machine that I owned unless he had a service manual...
    i almost always use a service manual (when available). lots of things don't take one or i've done it enough that certian parts somehow got stuck in my brain. i work on too many different types of machines to remember it all.
    When I am late for work, I usually make up for it by leaving early.

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    Quote Originally Posted by graham View Post
    Im going to be honest because thats the way I am . Problem is your not going to like it .
    If you need a teardown manual for a sidewinder you shouldnt be doing it..... period . Your customer is paying for a qualified competent tech, and you need a manual to show you how to do it ????? Were not talking rocket science here no electronic wizardry just an old sidewinder . Sorry if I offended you but I call a spade a spade .
    If you had never done one before, you'd want a manual, too. No one is born with 15 years of experience.

    Chances are pringlel knows the potential cost of a mistake, and he would like to do the best job possible for his customer. If he's even on a site with a machine like this and they are charging him with the task of overhauling it, I'm sure he's competent and capable of doing it, especially since "it's not rocket science, just an old sidewinder". Cut the guy some slack.

    EDIT: sorry - didn't read Klove's post before, but here's my .02
    "There is no greater inequality than the equal treatment of unequals."

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    As far as my first one , yes I was the helper thats how you learn .
    As far as me being arrogant .........Guess you dont have many mirrors in your house do you Klove , have you read some of your posts ??????
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    Everyone has to start somewhere unless you work on that piece of equipment day in and day out you are not going to know it inside and out that is why they give you manuals as a reference I use them all the time no matter what I am working on , If I had the manual I would give it to him if he wishes to serve his customer there is no reason why he should not be able to get it. He is only trying to help his customer.
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    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it
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    Quote Originally Posted by graham View Post
    As far as my first one , yes I was the helper thats how you learn .
    As far as me being arrogant .........Guess you dont have many mirrors in your house do you Klove , have you read some of your posts ??????
    Plenty of them. Look at 'em all the time. As was stated, sometimes you have to point someone in the right direction, and no one likes to be told that maybe they need to help instead of lead. There's no easy way to say that on an internet forum. But the way you put this one was over the top.

    We've all been in on the ones that someone says maybe it would be best if the OP got some experienced help, then the OP gets mad and starts acting like the world's against him. Then it degrades. We've all been guilty of things we shouldn't say. But to pretty much call another mechanic incompetent because he doesn't have specific experience on a specific machine and he asks for a service manual on it before tackling one of the most expensive repairs that can be made to that machine just ain't right. I'd be willing to bet there's a few folks on this site that can do some things blindfolded that you wouldn't even think about attempting without a manual. Don't mean you're not qualified, just inexperienced.

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    I can drink a beer blind folded, but that would kinda make it hard to read.





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    OOPS, I haven't looked at a manual to O/H a Trane in at least 10 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pringlel View Post
    Anyone have have a tear down manual?
    Don't know if you got it or not? Give me serial num. I'll see what I can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cperk View Post
    Don't know if you got it or not? Give me serial num. I'll see what I can do.
    I Know I don't have anything on a bench or side grinder. I'll take anything available, please.

    And I do know that I had NOTHING to do with ALL the York manuals disappearing from the office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavymetaldad View Post
    I Know I don't have anything on a bench or side grinder. I'll take anything available, please.
    For the ones I've been into, I've never had anything either, but that doesn't mean I didn't want it. I'm with 'dad - e-mails in my profile if you have anything.

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    If you have access to comfort-site visit e-library and down load the manual. If you have problems the Trane parts dept can help you get the info as you will need materials to reassemble (gaskets, buffer seals and possibly bearings)

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    I found this on Trane comfortsite.com
    Attached Files Attached Files
    Arguing with your Boss is like wrestling with a pig in
    mud.
    After a while you realize that while you are getting
    dirty, the pig is actually enjoying it.

    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it
    creative problem solving.

    25 years ago we had Bob Hope , Steve Jobs , and Johnny Cash today we have no Hope no Jobs and no Cash !
    I can fix broke but i can't fix stupid !

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    How is a man to know the torque values and seal/bearing measurements without some info? Even if you have done a dozen of them you probably cannot remember all those numbers along with every thing about other brands and styles you may work on. We would not let a tech lead a teardown until he had done 3 as a helper and the third one was his "check ride" as lead tech. He was also provided with all the literature that we could secure on the unit.

    When/if you do this tear down a PVC is pretty straight forward as you will see. The suction cover and volute will hang at weird angles when pulled off but are manageable. Measure and record ALL seals and bearings as you come apart and a digital camera would be a great aid in documenting the conditions you find.

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