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    Quote Originally Posted by HVACJOEK View Post
    And how about California reducing salaries from $65,000 to $15,000 (for state workers) a year by mandating the minumum wage law. Even managers are caught up in that one with salary cuts to $455.00 a week.It won't be long before we are all paying for that.

    I was looking to hear more from those who are in the know about this perticular strike rather then a from bunch of freon jockeys offering opinions that don't relate to the subject. But what the heck it's all in fun work is slow for most of us, and on a nice saturday afternoon the internet is far better then the beach.

    Maxtor you are absolutely right "call the uncle"
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    That’s a cute picture, who’s on top?

    I mean that with the utmost respect.
    If it doesn't go easy, you are not using a big enough hammer.

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    go ask that friendly women who takes the dues thru the glass over in LIC...she'll bark at you and tell you read the News Letter that was mailed out.i was with Trane LIC back when KSW got caught over doing prefab in house,and the reg local 638 pulled a 2 week strike...my district mgr got up in front of the service guys and said that if anybody honors the pickets they will be looking for a job! ........... lets see who comes out first with info ours or these guys http://www.nymca.org/index.aspx
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    Quote Originally Posted by HVACJOEK View Post
    And how about California reducing salaries from $65,000 to $15,000 (for state workers) a year by mandating the minumum wage law. Even managers are caught up in that one with salary cuts to $455.00 a week.It won't be long before we are all paying for that.

    I was looking to hear more from those who are in the know about this perticular strike rather then a from bunch of freon jockeys offering opinions that don't relate to the subject. But what the heck it's all in fun work is slow for most of us, and on a nice saturday afternoon the internet is far better then the beach.

    Maxtor you are absolutely right "call the uncle"
    Let me put on my racing silks and get my whip out, and we'll continue the ride... for fun and enlightenment. Put your riders up, please...

    One of our biggest problems we now face is the growth of government, and the employees of that government that make over and above the competitive wage and benefits of those who actually make and fix things for a living. That would include your typical "freon jockey."

    Whether union or non-union, we "jockeys" are providing a service that represents economic value. When someone works for the government as an administrator, clerk, regulator or other public employee, is is rare that anything of economic value is being created or serviced. Usually, these jobs are created by legislation, rather than economic need, and the costs of those jobs are borne by the taxpayer. That's you and me.

    So, if public employees find themselves facing large cuts in wages and benefits, it is because the levels of compensation to which they have become accustomed are now unsustainable in an economy that is increasingly hostile to the private sector, a sector whose activities create the wealth that has established our standard of living.

    We are driving our jobs from the US, whether those jobs involve drilling for the lifeblood of the entire world in the Gulf of Mexico, or preparing to cap and tax that lifeblood here while providing no penalties in places like India. We can expect to hemorrhage jobs for years to come if we continue to follow the pied piper of lemmings, the so-called "environmental" movement. It is a movement of economic suicide, since changes to energy sources cannot have their costs shifted to anyone else but the consumer. The consumer pays for everything, and once again, that's you ands me.


    We need only look at Greece to see what is coming if we continue to grow government, entitlements, and public sector jobs that are not reflective of the level of compensation that such jobs can bring in the private sector.

    Greece is a non-producing economy, and we dare not move any farther in that direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxster View Post
    go ask that friendly women who takes the dues thru the glass over in LIC...she'll bark at you and tell you read the News Letter that was mailed out.i was with Trane LIC back when KSW got caught over doing prefab in house,and the reg local 638 pulled a 2 week strike...my district mgr got up in front of the service guys and said that if anybody honors the pickets they will be looking for a job! ........... lets see who comes out first with info ours or these guys http://www.nymca.org/index.aspx
    Interesting. It's called the Mechanical Contractor's Association, rather than being a "local" or a part of the "UA." Is this an alternative group to a union?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HVACJOEK View Post
    It's not posted there either... the strike is about Nationals voting like they actually go out on strike.

    The MCA wants give backs. and wage freeze.
    Ah. So these guys are the ones that hire the union members. I get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HVACJOEK View Post
    That’s a cute picture, who’s on top?

    I mean that with the utmost respect.
    If you mean the plane on top, that would be the one with the pilot who was landing but did not see the Cessna who was already on approach to the runway, just about to land.

    I used this story to help my flight students avoid a similar, or much worse, outcome.

    http://71.148.0.203/cessna/reg/FMPro...12626134&-Find
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    most of the OEMs are national agreements along with some of the biggest shops in the city... it is local 638B contracts but filtered thru MCA on the o stike and apprentics lag time to be intro'd into the union..B is 45 days national is 6 months.if the MCA strike be dammed the equipment is going to be started up screw the warrenty and waiting on the factory tech
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    I'm kinda lost on this thread. Is this just another union whine session or is something else going on that I'm not picking up on?
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    This thread has failed to be as entertaining as I'd hoped, but Robo is here now, so I'm still optomistic!
    If more government is the answer, then it's a really stupid question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    I'm kinda lost on this thread. Is this just another union whine session or is something else going on that I'm not picking up on?

    I'm not familiar with the players in the NYC market, so I was a little slow on the uptake. I thought that talking about union problems across the Hudson might be relevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mark beiser View Post
    This thread has failed to be as entertaining as I'd hoped, but Robo is here now, so I'm still optomistic!
    Its going to end up just like any other thread that has the word "Union" in it.

    Lots of guys on this board hate unions, and this is the only place where they can voice their opinions without real confrontation, so the posts get ugly everytime.

    Give it time Mark, Im sure this thread will pick up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by y7turbo View Post
    Its going to end up just like any other thread that has the word "Union" in it.

    Lots of guys on this board hate unions, and this is the only place where they can voice their opinions without real confrontation, so the posts get ugly everytime.
    For the record, I have been a member of three unions. I have nothing against unions.

    I object to governments using taxpayer dollars to not get the best job done for the lowest price, just as one does in competitive bidding. To make matters worse, the public employee unions then lobby to make government bigger, and every one of us on this board, in fact EVERY tax payer, covers that extra cost.
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