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    JOE LEGAL vs. JOSE ILLEGAL

    JOE LEGAL vs. JOSE ILLEGAL
    >
    > You have two families: "Joe Legal" and "Jose
    > Illegal"
    > Both families have two parents, two children, and
    > live in California ..
    >
    > Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social
    > Security Number and makes
    > $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.
    >
    > Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO
    > Social Security Number,
    > and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".
    >
    > Ready? Now pay attention...
    >
    > Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per
    > week, or $52,000.00
    > per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal
    > tax; Joe Legal now has
    > $31,231.00.
    >
    > Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00
    > per week, or
    > $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes.
    > Jose Illegal now has
    > $31,200.00.
    >
    > Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with
    > limited coverage for
    > his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per
    > year. Joe Legal now
    > has $24,031.00.
    >
    > Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage
    > through the state and
    > local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose
    > Illegal still has
    > $31,200.00.
    >
    > Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible
    > for food stamps or
    > welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food,
    > or $6,000.00 per
    > year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.
    >
    > Jose Illegal has no documented income and is
    > eligible for food stamps
    > and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.
    >
    > Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or
    > $14,400.00 per year. Joe
    > Legal now has $9,631.00.
    >
    > Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal
    > rent subsidy. Jose
    > Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or
    > $6,000.00 per year. Jose
    > Illegal
    > still has $ 31,200.00.
    >
    > Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for
    > insurance. Joe Legal
    > now has $7,231.00.
    >
    > Jose Illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin'
    > insurance!" and still has
    > $31,200.00.
    >
    > Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay
    > utilities, gasoline,
    > etc.
    >
    > Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to
    > pay utilities,
    > gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every
    > month.
    >
    > Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a
    > part time job after
    > work.
    >
    > Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy
    > with his family.
    >
    > Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend
    > the same school. Joe
    > Legal pays for his children's lunches while Jose
    > Illegal's children get
    > a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal's
    > children have an after
    > school ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home.
    >
    > Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same
    > police and fire services,
    > but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.
    >
    > Do you get it, now?
    >
    > If you vote for or support any politician that
    > supports illegal
    > aliens...
    >
    > You are part of the problem!
    >
    > It's way PAST time to take a stand for America and
    > Americans!
    > What are you waiting for? Pass it on..
    It's refreshing to pull your head out of the box when servicing a system.

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    That part about sending money to other countries is spot on.
    I have heard that most illegals declair 6-10 dependants which means they have NO money witheld for income tax. They then send that money to other countries to bring in more illegals.
    AND they dont FILE for income tax at the end of the year because they are ILLEGAL......
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    This doesn't belong in the joke section. We all need to WAKE up
    Certified,qualified and can do it cause were used to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indoor Comfort View Post
    This doesn't belong in the joke section. We all need to WAKE up
    It's not a joke, it's a Wisdom Pill so it does belong here.
    If you would like it posted somewhere else, copy and paste my brother!
    It's refreshing to pull your head out of the box when servicing a system.

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    I put this up on all the sites I visit!! thank you



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    The internet is anti american!!!! I reposted this info on other websites I visit & it was all deleted!!


    THANK YOU HVAC-TALK FOR SUPPORTING AMERICA AND NOT DELETING THIS THREAD!!!!!!


    I will continue to repost on those websites until i'm banned, or they start supporting this country instead of being a drain

  7. #7

    Confused JOE CITIZEN & JOSE IMMIGRANT [CORRECTIONS]

    Quote Originally Posted by absoair View Post
    JOE LEGAL vs. JOSE ILLEGAL
    >
    > You have two families: "Joe Citizen" and "Jose
    > Immigrant Laborer"
    > Both families have two parents, two children, and
    > live in California ..
    >
    > Joe Citizen works in construction, has a Social
    > Security Number and makes
    > $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.
    >
    > Jose Immigrant also works in construction, has NO
    > Social Security Number,
    > and gets paid $10.00 " before Taxes,Medicare,Social Security.
    >
    > Ready? Now pay attention...
    >
    > Joe Citizen: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per
    > week, or 4 wks X 12 mos , not including holidays off
    > =48 k per year.
    > Now take 30% = 14,400 away for state and federal
    > tax; Joe Citizen now has
    > $33,600.00.
    >
    > Jose Immigrant laborer: $10.00 per hour x 40 hours = $400.00
    > per week, or 400 x 48 weeks=
    > $19,200.00 per year. Jose Immigrant Before deductions.
    > Jose Immigrant laborer now has
    > $13,440.00.
    >
    > Joe Citizen pays medical and dental insurance with
    > limited coverage for
    > his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per
    > year. Joe Legal now
    > has $26,400.00.
    >
    > Jose Immigrant laborer has No medical and dental coverage
    > through the state and pays out of own pocket
    > local clinics at a cost of $5,000.00 per year. Jose
    > Immigrant Laborer still has
    > $8,440.00.
    >
    > Joe Citizen makes too much money and is not eligible
    > for food stamps or
    > welfare. Joe Citizen pays $500.00 per month for food,
    > or $6,000.00 per
    > year. Joe Citizen now has $20,400.00.
    >
    > Jose Immigrant Laborer has Check stubs and is
    > eligible for food stamps
    > and not welfare with no SS#. Jose Illegal still has $8,440.00.
    >
    > Joe Citizen pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or
    > $14,400.00 per year. Joe
    > Legal now has $6.000.00.
    >
    > Jose Immigrant cannot receive a $500.00 per month federal
    > rent subsidy with not legitimate social security or >
    > Citizenship proof, & pays out that $500.00 per month, or
    > $6,000.00 per year. Jose
    > Immigrant Day Laborer
    > has $ 000.00. and has to work another job.
    >
    > Joe Citizen pays $100.00 per month, or $1,200.00 for
    > insurance. Joe Legal
    > now has $4,800.00.
    >
    > Jose Immigrant says, "We can't afford no
    > insurance!" and still has
    > $0,00.00.
    >
    > Joe Citizen has to make his $4,800.00 stretch to pay
    > utilities, gasoline,
    > etc.
    >
    > Jose Immigrant has to make his $0,000.00 stretch to
    > pay utilities,
    > gasoline, and what other job he uses to send out of the country when
    > he possibly can.
    >
    > Joe Citizen now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a
    > part time job after
    > work.
    >
    > Jose Immigrant has NO nights and weekends off to enjoy
    > with his family, and doesn't whine to pay bills.
    >
    > Joe Citizen's and Jose Immigrant's children both can qualify for
    > the same school and education. Joe
    > Citizen qualifies for his children's lunches while Jose
    > Illegal's children qualify as well for discounted
    > government discounted lunch. Jose Immigrants
    > children have an after
    > school ESL program to learn English. Joe Legal's children go play.
    >
    > Joe Citizen and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same
    > police and fire services,
    > but Joe paid for them and Jose also pays.
    >
    > Do you get it, now?
    >
    > If you vote for or support any race, fear, hate propaganda then you
    > supports anti legalization of immigrants.
    > Terms such as alien among Illegal is
    >
    > part of the problem!
    >
    > It's way PAST time to take a stand for America and for
    > Democracy! One Nation Under God...
    > What are you waiting for? Pass it on..
    Stop the whining about having to pay your bills, and others not having to, just man up and stop being a coward and blaming others for not doing anything about your circumstances.
    Blaming an Immigrant or someone who you cannot compete with economically or financially only proves you cannot take advantage of your Special treatment opportunities afforded .

    If one thinks the Immigrants have it so great , they can always trade places.
    this Economy was created by those for the past 8 years who wanted special treatment for some and not for others. IMO

    I love this Country , just don't like to hear the facts changed to suit those who use them in their favor only, and not for all.

    Truth be told the same policies that made the Immigrants to become Aliens, or People as to be labeled Illegal , can see anyone Including those Americans in other countries who cross borders can be arrested for being an Illegal Alien or the same type of those who want to criminalize mexican immigrants .

    Todays society is changing and more diverse as it was written to uphold and to be, as diverse and united for all, Equal . let these truths to be held self evident.
    One nation for all under god.
    and most people who come here are all Immigrants, the standards are not to screen people out based on fear or one particular race, yet should accommodate those who have helped the economy and save costs of shipping and handeling than doing business with Communist Countries who will use and are using American profits to make weapons that hate Americans such as China , vietnam, korea, laos, etc;
    those are where your jobs have been farmed out , and it all started with Reagan and snowballed with each republican .

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    Quote Originally Posted by JibbaJabba View Post
    Stop the whining about having to pay your bills, and others not having to, just man up and stop being a coward and blaming others for not doing anything about your circumstances.
    Blaming an Immigrant or someone who you cannot compete with economically or financially only proves you cannot take advantage of your Special treatment opportunities afforded .

    If one thinks the Immigrants have it so great , they can always trade places.
    this Economy was created by those for the past 8 years who wanted special treatment for some and not for others. IMO

    I love this Country , just don't like to hear the facts changed to suit those who use them in their favor only, and not for all.

    Truth be told the same policies that made the Immigrants to become Aliens, or People as to be labeled Illegal , can see anyone Including those Americans in other countries who cross borders can be arrested for being an Illegal Alien or the same type of those who want to criminalize mexican immigrants .

    Todays society is changing and more diverse as it was written to uphold and to be, as diverse and united for all, Equal . let these truths to be held self evident.
    One nation for all under god.
    and most people who come here are all Immigrants, the standards are not to screen people out based on fear or one particular race, yet should accommodate those who have helped the economy and save costs of shipping and handeling than doing business with Communist Countries who will use and are using American profits to make weapons that hate Americans such as China , vietnam, korea, laos, etc;
    those are where your jobs have been farmed out , and it all started with Reagan and snowballed with each republican .

    We pay our bills, and for 90% of the bills that for people like you who live off a system that rewards people not living up to there responsibilities.

    My family are immigrants to this country , and they did it legally!!!!!

    I believe you better come up with a more intelligent argument.
    NO Brains NO Headaches

  9. #9

    Wink Legal Begals

    There is nothing wrong with doing it legally, as long as there is not legal obstacles put in the way legally to screen out and make it impossible to become legal.
    Much of what i read is political and is fear propaganda, most of it is inaccurate with a few truths to give it some form of factual basis or legitimacy.
    Only a naive and gullible person would consider it an intelligent reason to be anti pro legal.
    nothing an Amnesty shouldn't fix, or reversing the Anti American Anti Democracy Immigrant laws devised by rice and bush to prevent legalization of Immigrants.
    It's all there just read the Bills and Research the changes.
    Tally Ho.

    @hvac248whoweappreciate,

    why would anyone ban someone for not agreeing with your strong ideals or views? its like listening to the KKK or hitler and should all be crucified for not going along with such rhetoric.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JibbaJabba View Post
    Stop the whining about having to pay your bills, and others not having to, just man up and stop being a coward and blaming others for not doing anything about your circumstances.
    Blaming an Immigrant or someone who you cannot compete with economically or financially only proves you cannot take advantage of your Special treatment opportunities afforded .

    If one thinks the Immigrants have it so great , they can always trade places.
    this Economy was created by those for the past 8 years who wanted special treatment for some and not for others. IMO

    I love this Country , just don't like to hear the facts changed to suit those who use them in their favor only, and not for all.

    Truth be told the same policies that made the Immigrants to become Aliens, or People as to be labeled Illegal , can see anyone Including those Americans in other countries who cross borders can be arrested for being an Illegal Alien or the same type of those who want to criminalize mexican immigrants .

    Todays society is changing and more diverse as it was written to uphold and to be, as diverse and united for all, Equal . let these truths to be held self evident.
    One nation for all under god.
    and most people who come here are all Immigrants, the standards are not to screen people out based on fear or one particular race, yet should accommodate those who have helped the economy and save costs of shipping and handeling than doing business with Communist Countries who will use and are using American profits to make weapons that hate Americans such as China , vietnam, korea, laos, etc;
    those are where your jobs have been farmed out , and it all started with Reagan and snowballed with each republican .
    Actually, I have a problem with some immigrants but not all. My problem is with the illegal ones. The ones that are taking advantage of the many that work hard and want to live the American dream the legal way. You are twisted in your thinking, in my opinion.
    It's refreshing to pull your head out of the box when servicing a system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JibbaJabba View Post
    There is nothing wrong with doing it legally, as long as there is not legal obstacles put in the way legally to screen out and make it impossible to become legal.
    Much of what i read is political and is fear propaganda, most of it is inaccurate with a few truths to give it some form of factual basis or legitimacy.
    Only a naive and gullible person would consider it an intelligent reason to be anti pro legal.
    nothing an Amnesty shouldn't fix, or reversing the Anti American Anti Democracy Immigrant laws devised by rice and bush to prevent legalization of Immigrants.
    It's all there just read the Bills and Research the changes.
    Tally Ho.

    @hvac248whoweappreciate,

    why would anyone ban someone for not agreeing with your strong ideals or views? its like listening to the KKK or hitler and should all be crucified for not going along with such rhetoric.

    Well you really know your facts, now you should learn President's and Secretary of State's don't make laws that is left up to the Congress.

    The was just my opinion for your first post on this site.
    NO Brains NO Headaches

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    Quote Originally Posted by JibbaJabba View Post
    Stop the whining about having to pay your bills, and others not having to, just man up and stop being a coward and blaming others for not doing anything about your circumstances.
    Blaming an Immigrant or someone who you cannot compete with economically or financially only proves you cannot take advantage of your Special treatment opportunities afforded .

    If one thinks the Immigrants have it so great , they can always trade places.
    this Economy was created by those for the past 8 years who wanted special treatment for some and not for others. IMO

    I love this Country , just don't like to hear the facts changed to suit those who use them in their favor only, and not for all.

    Truth be told the same policies that made the Immigrants to become Aliens, or People as to be labeled Illegal , can see anyone Including those Americans in other countries who cross borders can be arrested for being an Illegal Alien or the same type of those who want to criminalize mexican immigrants .

    Todays society is changing and more diverse as it was written to uphold and to be, as diverse and united for all, Equal . let these truths to be held self evident.
    One nation for all under god.
    and most people who come here are all Immigrants, the standards are not to screen people out based on fear or one particular race, yet should accommodate those who have helped the economy and save costs of shipping and handeling than doing business with Communist Countries who will use and are using American profits to make weapons that hate Americans such as China , vietnam, korea, laos, etc;
    those are where your jobs have been farmed out , and it all started with Reagan and snowballed with each republican .
    Pardon me, sir. When I was a broadcaster, I considered myself to be a skilled bullsh**er.

    However, after reading this post, I must defer to you as a master of absolute nonsense.
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    It would appear that so far... JJ has not felt any 'pain' because of his taxes paying for someone else to have 'the good life' while he (JJ) misses out... When he (JJ) feels that pain, he will become a conservative overnight... or sooner...
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