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    Fixing the gulf oil leak -

    Why can we pull out a large mothballed ship, close off all the water tight doors, weld twenty 24" gate valves to the decks, and cut a 75' square hole in the bottom.

    Then attach mile long hoses to each deck valve, open all the water tight doors, and sink the ship over the well head.

    Well pressure isn't going to lift the ship and for that matter; twenty 24" suction pumps would hold the boat to the bottom by suction alone.

    Whatever comes up the hoses gets pumped into one of those super tankers and gets hauled off to a refinery.

    Seems pretty straight forward to me.

    Am I wrong?
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    Take a plastic bucket. Cut 20 " holes in the bottom of it. Remove your bath tube faucet. Turn on both the hot cold water full open. Now try and put that bucket over the faucet with one hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poodle Head Mikey View Post
    Why can we pull out a large mothballed ship, close off all the water tight doors, weld twenty 24" gate valves to the decks, and cut a 75' square hole in the bottom.

    Then attach mile long hoses to each deck valve, open all the water tight doors, and sink the ship over the well head.

    Well pressure isn't going to lift the ship and for that matter; twenty 24" suction pumps would hold the boat to the bottom by suction alone.

    Whatever comes up the hoses gets pumped into one of those super tankers and gets hauled off to a refinery.

    Seems pretty straight forward to me.

    Am I wrong?
    I am no maritime engineer, but I would think...Sinking a ship that big and getting it into proper position that deep would be quite impossible.

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    Saw a solution like that in a cartoon the other day. You put all the oil co. executives and all their worldly possessions, i.e. swimming pools, Hummers, etc. into a big container and lower it down there over the hole.

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    I was watching the weather channel a few minutes ago, they are having a special about the oil spill with the storm coming into the gulf. A guest says that they are contemplating blowing up the well to implode it onto it self with, wait for it, with a nuclear explosion. What the hell are they thinking? You gotta be kidding me.
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    OK -

    I guarantee you I could hold it with both hands. <g>

    But more to my point - let's take a plastic bucket and cut 20 1/2" holes in the bottom of it. Then let's attach high-suction fluid pumps to each hole and turn them all on. Then I believe I could place the bucket over the faucet and remove my hand and have it stay in place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post
    Take a plastic bucket. Cut 20 " holes in the bottom of it. Remove your bath tube faucet. Turn on both the hot cold water full open. Now try and put that bucket over the faucet with one hand.
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    positioning the ship -

    They got a welded containment box 1/1000 the size of a ship (or less) positioned correctly. They can routinely get a 21" diameter pipe to connect at the exact right spot on other well heads.

    While we are mounting two dozen 24" valves and flanges to the decks of the ship - let's weld on mounts for fifty thrusters too. The floating drill platform
    manages to stay exactly in position over a well using thrusters.

    I'd say the odds are excellent that a controlled sinking could be accurately accomplished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddy-b View Post
    I am no maritime engineer, but I would think...Sinking a ship that big and getting it into proper position that deep would be quite impossible.
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    speaking of the spill -

    A few nights ago I was laying in bed thinking about all the puzzle-pieces (in regard to the spill) that I cannot get clearly coordinated in my mind. What it made me conclude is how likely it is that BP has drilled into something that they have no idea how to control. Something which has never been found before. Something for which no technology exists and that no one living is capable of handling it. Say BP is full of crap - and the well head pressure is a million psi?

    Maybe the "huge leak" is actually just a virtual pin hole now and that any complete stoppage will just blow the patch right off the well?

    And maybe they are afraid that a bomb would rupture the entire dome which had until now been containing the high pressure oil. And may well cause a volcano sized eruption of oil in the gulf.

    All the news about it just has an odd feel to me.
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    You hit the nail on the head. Due to my 12 mile distance to the gulf and my 400 mile distance to the wellhead, I look at this vid daily. It is getting worse as time passes. They are not saying, but the ex-ceo of Shell has stated that the sub-floor well casing is not only compromised, but is getting washed out. I have heard that the PSI is between 100,000 and 150,000. Not to mention that there is 5000 ft of water over it. We have stepped out of our technological comfort zone into an unknown realm. I am not sure how a bomb would seal a leak either. Seems like it might make it worse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poodle Head Mikey View Post
    A few nights ago I was laying in bed thinking about all the puzzle-pieces (in regard to the spill) that I cannot get clearly coordinated in my mind. What it made me conclude is how likely it is that BP has drilled into something that they have no idea how to control. Something which has never been found before. Something for which no technology exists and that no one living is capable of handling it. Say BP is full of crap - and the well head pressure is a million psi?

    Maybe the "huge leak" is actually just a virtual pin hole now and that any complete stoppage will just blow the patch right off the well?

    And maybe they are afraid that a bomb would rupture the entire dome which had until now been containing the high pressure oil. And may well cause a volcano sized eruption of oil in the gulf.

    All the news about it just has an odd feel to me.

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    This one shows the dispersant corexit being fed right into the gusher. If you follow the pipe coming from the right bottom corner 45Deg up to the center of the plume, it is injecting the stuff right at the wellhead. I was watching a couple of weeks back when the moved that pipe into position and let er rip

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    Maybe BP has been telling the truth about the volume of oil leaving the pipe. Maybe every time the estimate goes up it's because the volume really is increasing.
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    wouldn't it be better to just let it come up instead of using a dispersant on it? At least then it could be sucked up into something.
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