I'm constanly amazed by some of the attitudes in this room. Some people think that by being marginally proficient at a trade that they're the s*** (spot) and this is license to be rude . I find most of these types are in fear of thier jobs and tend to be dismissive of anything in general, gossip and backstab. I don't mean to stereotype, but the perceived hard ass , flat - top , old school white boy thing is pretty old . Quit being so insecure - . Nothing so pathetic is an owner who abuses his employees or is flip whenever a question is asked. By the way 'TurdSpott' wasn't 'whining' about my knees - get over it - I would never work for you. For the most part everyone's pretty professional.