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  1. #14
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    There are redundant systems to deal with stopping the flow of oil.

    During Katrina a bunch of rigs broke loose, but we did not have mass oil leaks, because the BOP worked.

    Here is a news story with 1st hand account of what happened by a BP employee that was on the rig.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/...n6490197.shtml

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    An anecdotal account to a news crew does not equal a properly guided investigation.

    For example, we have only his "word" that problems had been building for weeks. That's an opinion.

    Was this the first time there was a problem drilling an oil well? No.

    Until all of the data is in, we do not know if his opinion can be corroborated, or if this account is intended to shift blame or distract form some other aspect.
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    The issue at this well-head, according to the material I have read (cannot give links, do not remember where it was from), indicate this well was under more pressure than expected, and the ratio of N/gas to oil was much higher in N/gas content than any well drilled in the area before.

    The N/gas overwhelmed the entire well-head and rig, leaked, was ignited, and burning the rig. The resultant break-away of the pipe above the 'Well-Head' (a well-head is also called a 'Christmas tree'; composed of multiple BOP's and valves; which on this well was/is supposedly 50 ft tall), could not handle the pressure.

    IMO what will come of this is a re-designed 'Well head', that will handle much more pressure... and more redundancy to actuate the BOP's (there are multiple BOP's on a well-head).

    Think with me for a minute what would happen if the well-head disconnected from the ocean floor due to the immense pressure? Yeah, there would be literally NOTHING to connect to, to catch the oil and gas... Does this sound like a viable solution?

    The last time we had an oil spill and mess in the gulf was in 1979, almost 30 years ago. I remember quite well the tar-balls on Galveston beaches, and the crash in beach-house prices (I lived in Houston at the time).

    Funny thing though... there was a Hurricane the next year, it stirred the water and cleaned up a lot of the mess... Seems Mother Nature is capable of cleaning up man's messes as well as Mankind is sometime... maybe we are not as omnipotent as we think we are...

    It is always fun to play 'armchair QTB', but this does not really solve the issue. And to think we can have a totally risk free society... well this is just mental folly. How about lets get away from the 'blame game' for the short run and get the problem solved. AFTER the problem is solved, AND a thorough investigation is done, we can find the reasons and design ways to lower risk. Remember that zero risk is NOT an attainable goal, but one to strive for anyhow. Thirty (30) years between major spills in the gulf, IMO, is a solid and positive thing. Oh, and here is a thought: Would you rather have China and/or Russia drilling in the gulf? Do you really think they care about our beaches?
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    Those of you who lived in the gulf after the 1979 spill, how long did the effects linger? How long were tar balls on the beach? Any long term effect still present?
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    I remember as a kid in the early 80's going to cape san blas. If you dug down about a foot you would get into a layer of tar like substance. It was hard to get off of your skin..
    We did not go to that beach much after that...

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    There was a hurricane in 1980 as I remember; it pretty well cleaned up Galveston. Back to enjoying the beach again!

    Now I live 6 hours away from the beach, bummer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    My prediction for investigation results:
    1) Bypassed safety devices
    2) poorly (negligently) maintained safety devices
    3) emergency plans that were not written for the location and situation but copied as boilerplate from other projects without any attention to the local issues.

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    Read an article the other day about those local folks who own the BP gas stations, and the backlash they're getting over the Gulf spill. Many were barely making a living before the spill, because their contract forces them to buy their gas from BP at a higher rate than their competitors get it for. Some have considering suing BP to get out of their contracts, but simply can't afford the legal fees and are losing money staying there, because fewer people are buying their gas since the spill.

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    Most BP stations are independents that buy their gas from BP, also Castrol oil is owned by BP.

    Timebuilder, you need to give that report creedence, that is from someone who has friends that were friends of some of the guys that died on that rig. I can tell you one thing if that guy is saying it it is true.

    The deal with the hurricane, lets think back to Katrina, washing the oil into New Orleans is not a really viable option.

    If anyone here has any misconceptions about BP's financial status, they will bankrupt or restructure before this is over with or right after, they owe too many people too much money. We were supposed to have our company fishing trip to the coast this past weekend, it didnt happen. I find it ironic that you cant rent a cabin at a marina such as in Cocodrie not because they are full but because BP doesnt want anyone around the coast.

    We should have nuked the wellhead like the Russians did when we had the chance. For the Obamites out there I hope you enjoy the hope and change that many of us didnt want. We have a foreign company holding the future of several states in their hands, while the government does nothing. That sat for months while Jindhal requested to start dredging to build barriers and refused to allow it. Its ridiculous and its a dog and pony show. We have some of the brightest minds when it comes to the oil industry here in Louisiana and Texas, instead of giving us, the citizens of Louisiana control of our future and our kid's the federal government has held us back and allowed BP to continue their clown show.

    You know were a poor state and looked down upon in general across the US but except for the fools, idiots and thiefs that they chase down to put on the national news there are alot of good and hard working people here, especially in the coastal towns. We dont need the government to hold our hand, we dont need BP to fill our pockets, we just need them to get out of our way so we do what we do best, fix the problem.
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    It would appear fixing the problem is not what the government has in mind... rather political mileage... Wonder how long voters will accept the idea; the politicians careers are more important than solving the countries problems???

    Folks voted for change a while back, they can vote for change again...
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