The future of power generation

[R12rules]

Originally posted by hvacbear
What about hydrogen fuel cells using water as fuel???

Why dont folks do some simple online research and find out what is happening with H2FC???

Do a look up a man named Dr. Billings.

Lmtd made some comments last year, or was it this year? ... made some remarks about H2FC little buildings the size of a storage shed on a home lot.

These little buildings housed H2FC sysems powered from H2O and provided heating for the home as well as energy for the whole entire household!!!

And they didnt need that grid hookup!!!



Admin fee my @#$%!
If they ain't doing what needs to be done with what they already got to work with, financially. I am not about to give them anything for doing nothing!

[R12rules]

Because of regular water interuptions in the city of Lost Angeles, most buildings of any size were required to have their very own potable water holding tanks atop the building.
You can still see them today as you drive by on the freeway.
Nobody thought twice about having back up, or redundancy in something so vital as drinking water.

Now since that east coast blackout, they outa be requiring the same type of thing for buildings, only this time with an H2FC system.

People would flock to anything that was lit up during an otherwise blackout condition.
And people would be much safer that way.

Hydrogen WILL suffice!
Hydrogen is READY!

Detroit isn't. And that, my friends, is the issue in a nutshell.



I got ... I never saw your pix. They refused to display themselves.
However, unless your windmills are verticle "egg-beater" style ... they are yester-year's technology and not modern and effecient.
At least not effeceint enough to be accepted for ROI.

[condenseddave]

An hour and a half ago, coming home from a call, I drove along US Rt 6 through Waymart, PA. Home of the infamous (Regionally infamous, rather) "Waymart Project".

43 windmills producing 64.5 MEGAWatts of electricity.

I can only recall seeing all of the turbines standing down ONCE this year. And that was one dead-ass, muggy day. Every other time I've been around that area, (3-4 times a week) most all of them are swinging their asses off, making juice, and lots of it, not anything huge, but 64.5 MW is 64.5 MW, and that's a LOT of homes.

By contrast, the #1 reactor at TMI is 800 MW, and the #2 (The one best known for it's little 1979 "Mishap") was 900 MW.

You need a sh!tload of windmills, which need a sh!tload of space to make the kind of power that comes from a nuke plant. That space has to be in a wide open area, and in a hilly state like PA, real estate of that magnitude is at a premium, if at all available.

The locals at Waymart hated those windmills, and are still resentful of them. Most of them will tell you that the power from them is being "sent" to South Florida, New Jersey, Texas, and, my particular favorite: "Kansas, where they've got their OWN G**D*** windmills!!!!!!!! "

We've learned a LOT about nuke power since the #2 reactor melted, and steps have been taken to ensure that that particular incident never reoccurs here. Nukes are safe, nukes are "renewable", and more nuke plants should be put on line.

[i_got_ideas]

Originally posted by condenseddave
An hour and a half ago, coming home from a call, I drove along US Rt 6 through Waymart, PA. Home of the infamous (Regionally infamous, rather) "Waymart Project".

43 windmills producing 64.5 MEGAWatts of electricity.

I can only recall seeing all of the turbines standing down ONCE this year. And that was one dead-ass, muggy day. Every other time I've been around that area, (3-4 times a week) most all of them are swinging their asses off, making juice, and lots of it, not anything huge, but 64.5 MW is 64.5 MW, and that's a LOT of homes.

By contrast, the #1 reactor at TMI is 800 MW, and the #2 (The one best known for it's little 1979 "Mishap") was 900 MW.

You need a sh!tload of windmills, which need a sh!tload of space to make the kind of power that comes from a nuke plant. That space has to be in a wide open area, and in a hilly state like PA, real estate of that magnitude is at a premium, if at all available.

The locals at Waymart hated those windmills, and are still resentful of them. Most of them will tell you that the power from them is being "sent" to South Florida, New Jersey, Texas, and, my particular favorite: "Kansas, where they've got their OWN G**D*** windmills!!!!!!!! "

We've learned a LOT about nuke power since the #2 reactor melted, and steps have been taken to ensure that that particular incident never reoccurs here. Nukes are safe, nukes are "renewable", and more nuke plants should be put on line.

But getting all the storage space for all the spent rods is the concern for them. You can't just pile that stuff anywhere. I agree that at this point nuclear is better than fossil fueled plants but we will run out of space to put all the nuclear waste eventually.

[ucp]

Originally posted by i_got_ideas
I like what Johnny B says about the real deal coming along later.

There's probably some mad scientist somewhere that will come up with some chemical or perpetual motion device the size of a microwave that will power the average home.


It'll be interesting to see what the furture holds, I just wish something would happen sooner rather than later.

Be careful what you wish for.

There may even be a very efficient/clean power source available right now and could remove/drastically limit our dependance from/of fossil fuels, but...... This is an oil based economy here and overseas where it counts. Can you imagine what would happen if all of a sudden the need for oil just basically disappeared, Catastrophy comes to mind.

My opionion is if there is such technology available(I would'nt be suprised if it was available), the oil companies and governments will try and suppress it for awhile for different reasons, and some legitimate. Any fantastic technologys would best be introduced slowly from my view.

[alex_in_fl]

How do you get the hydrogen out of water to power the house?

[frozensolid]

Many of the articles I have read on the future of energy recognize nuclear fusion, as the greatest potential future energy source. This process combines atoms instead of splitting them. This is how the sun works.

I remember reading an article where it was suggested anchoring giant turbines out in the Gulf Stream. The energy potential would be enormous. Same basic theory as wind turbines just uses a different fluid.

[R12rules]

Originally posted by alex_in_fl
How do you get the hydrogen out of water to power the house?

Use the search feature of this site. look up the topic

H2FC

Do the homework. It is here. It is available now. It hasnt been introduced as of yet. So it can now be introduced just as fast or slowly as you wish.

It's ready today.

And there is still a need for oil. Just not in the quantity we now consume.

[hvacbear]

Saw a hydrogen cell power 10 100watt lightbulbs and it was @ 1/4 the size of a normal briefcase. One cylinder lasted a while too.

[condenseddave]

Originally posted by i_got_ideas

Originally posted by condenseddave
An hour and a half ago, coming home from a call, I drove along US Rt 6 through Waymart, PA. Home of the infamous (Regionally infamous, rather) "Waymart Project".

43 windmills producing 64.5 MEGAWatts of electricity.

I can only recall seeing all of the turbines standing down ONCE this year. And that was one dead-ass, muggy day. Every other time I've been around that area, (3-4 times a week) most all of them are swinging their asses off, making juice, and lots of it, not anything huge, but 64.5 MW is 64.5 MW, and that's a LOT of homes.

By contrast, the #1 reactor at TMI is 800 MW, and the #2 (The one best known for it's little 1979 "Mishap") was 900 MW.

You need a sh!tload of windmills, which need a sh!tload of space to make the kind of power that comes from a nuke plant. That space has to be in a wide open area, and in a hilly state like PA, real estate of that magnitude is at a premium, if at all available.

The locals at Waymart hated those windmills, and are still resentful of them. Most of them will tell you that the power from them is being "sent" to South Florida, New Jersey, Texas, and, my particular favorite: "Kansas, where they've got their OWN G**D*** windmills!!!!!!!! "

We've learned a LOT about nuke power since the #2 reactor melted, and steps have been taken to ensure that that particular incident never reoccurs here. Nukes are safe, nukes are "renewable", and more nuke plants should be put on line.

But getting all the storage space for all the spent rods is the concern for them. You can't just pile that stuff anywhere. I agree that at this point nuclear is better than fossil fueled plants but we will run out of space to put all the nuclear waste eventually.

IOWA.

[ucp]

Originally posted by R12rules

Originally posted by alex_in_fl
How do you get the hydrogen out of water to power the house?

Use the search feature of this site. look up the topic

H2FC

Do the homework. It is here. It is available now. It hasnt been introduced as of yet. So it can now be introduced just as fast or slowly as you wish.

It's ready today.

And there is still a need for oil. Just not in the quantity we now consume.

Sure H2FC is available, do you know of any commercial or residential track records for these bad boys? Kinda like your saying HVAC is available now, get it.

What MFR do you suggest?

[jrbenny]

Can you imagine what would happen if all of a sudden the need for oil just basically disappeared, Catastrophy comes to mind.

My opionion is if there is such technology available(I would'nt be suprised if it was available), the oil companies and governments will try and suppress it for awhile for different reasons, and some legitimate. Any fantastic technologys would best be introduced slowly from my view.

The state and federal governments would collapse due to the enormous loss of tax base. Vast majority of your government's dollars for infrastructure comes from fuel taxes. We're talking billions of dollars gone!

[JohnB]

Originally posted by jrbenny

Can you imagine what would happen if all of a sudden the need for oil just basically disappeared, Catastrophy comes to mind.

My opionion is if there is such technology available(I would'nt be suprised if it was available), the oil companies and governments will try and suppress it for awhile for different reasons, and some legitimate. Any fantastic technologys would best be introduced slowly from my view.

The state and federal governments would collapse due to the enormous loss of tax base. Vast majority of your government's dollars for infrastructure comes from fuel taxes. We're talking billions of dollars gone!

Maybe yes maybe no, politicans are prity quick on their feet if you're after their meal ticket

[Edited by JohnB on 08-03-2004 at 12:07 AM]