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  1. #1
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    Yes, the pictures are big but it's better for seeing detail.

    These are located about 7 miles outside of Washington Iowa on 170th Street.
    They were just put up and is truly where I believe the future is headed
    in electric production. I would love to have a small 15kw residential unit
    in my back yard, maybe someday when I have the $30,000 I'll get one.
    There is a company in Des Moines Iowa offering a 12kw unit without storage
    which wouldn't be bad either. The residual power left over that the 12kw unit
    produces would just be put on the grid instead of into storage. Either way
    your energy bill would just be for administrative fees(usually $35.00) to
    keep you on the grid should you need it. The reimbursement for the power you
    put on the grid would outweight the power you pull from the grid, thus the
    energy company would be paying you each month. With that said, it wouldn't
    take long for the windmills to pay themselves off.











    There are 3 ways to do anything in life; Good, Fast, Slow: You can pick any 2.

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    What about hydrogen fuel cells using water as fuel???
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    "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
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    I fully agree, hygrogen is fine for cars but it takes electricity to produce hydrogen, and the windmills can produce the electricity to produce the hydrogen
    There are 3 ways to do anything in life; Good, Fast, Slow: You can pick any 2.

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    The windmills are only there to pacify people until the real deal comes along, as of yet we don't know what it's going to be so we give the tree huggers money for junk to keep them happy.

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    Originally posted by i_got_ideas
    Yes, the pictures are big but it's better for seeing detail.

    These are located about 7 miles outside of Washington Iowa on 170th Street.
    They were just put up and is truly where I believe the future is headed
    in electric production. I would love to have a small 15kw residential unit
    in my back yard, maybe someday when I have the $30,000 I'll get one.
    There is a company in Des Moines Iowa offering a 12kw unit without storage
    which wouldn't be bad either. The residual power left over that the 12kw unit
    produces would just be put on the grid instead of into storage. Either way
    your energy bill would just be for administrative fees(usually $35.00) to
    keep you on the grid should you need it. The reimbursement for the power you
    put on the grid would outweight the power you pull from the grid, thus the
    energy company would be paying you each month. With that said, it wouldn't
    take long for the windmills to pay themselves off.



    I dont think you would like the noise, neither would your neighbors. You have to drop the turbine occasionally to maint. You will also need big investment in controls. Check out SEI, they have online classes reguarding Solar/Wind power, good school.

    Id bet that farm only installed them becuase of rebates or funds from gov to help finance installation.

    That looks like a poultry farm, they have plenty of waste to produce thier own biogas, which many devices can run off of, whats left over is compost.

    As JohnB says " The windmills are only there to pacify people until the real deal comes along, as of yet we don't know what it's going to be so we give the tree huggers money for junk to keep them happy.".

    Propane and nat gas fuel cells are nifty, you dont nessesarily need hydrogen for fuel cells. Coleman designed a neat little fuel cell you can screw in a little propane tank to get the thing running, think it 1kw.

    Most states utilities you will not be getting much payback either selling power back to them at this time.


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    Wind has been claimed the way to go for over 30 years. Look at any high pass like on highway 580 in Calif. They are there. But the only way they make a profit is by govermant subsidy.
    Oh and the tree huggers do not like them seems that birds get killed.
    Len
    Old snipes don't die they just loose their steam

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    I like what Johnny B says about the real deal coming along later.

    Just think of what new products and technology have come out in the last decade. Imagine what will be in 10 more years. There's probably some mad scientist somewhere that will come up with some chemical or perpetual motion device the size of a microwave that will power the average home. I sure wish it would be me but I don't have enough time ...that's right, time, that's all I'm lacking, LOL.


    Here government grants for windmills are easy to obtain and you're right UCP, the power companies don't pay much per KW at this time.

    It'll be interesting to see what the furture holds, I just wish something would happen sooner rather than later.
    There are 3 ways to do anything in life; Good, Fast, Slow: You can pick any 2.

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    There are a lot of large wind mills on I-10 Heading east into New Mexico.
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    "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
    Albert Einstein

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    There are a hundred or so between Oakland, MD and Davis, WVA they are muc bigger than Idea's posted but the spin at a slow rate so there not that loud but snipe is right bird's are getting killed and so are endangered bats.
    Karst means cave. So, I search for caves.

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    Originally posted by karsthuntr
    .......so there not that loud but snipe is right bird's are getting killed and so are endangered bats.
    But probably not as many as by cars and loss of habitat.
    There are 3 ways to do anything in life; Good, Fast, Slow: You can pick any 2.

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    They counted the bats for a month and they avraged(sp) about 46 a night. We are protecting the habitat by installing bat friendly gates. I don't care about the bird's.
    Karst means cave. So, I search for caves.

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    Wind power has been around as was said for 30 years or whatever if it was going anywhere it would have been there by now.
    I was driving my truck the other day the tach said 1500 RPM at 50 mph amazing but I wasn't thinking about the modern motor I was thinking about the first guy that made it work.Then Henry made it afFORDable.
    New inventions seem to just be extentions of old stuff made better,windmills have pumped water for many years.
    Will we see another great inventor or another Henry who will make it pay.

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    Points to ponder:
    1. Windmills are hell on birds.

    2. Power company pays you about 1/2 for the electricity you provide (their charges are made up of electricity plus distribution). Therefore you can use 5,000 KWH, generate 6,000 KWH and still owe the utility money.

    3. Don't know the outcome of the lawsuit but one power company was buying for about 2.5 cents per KWH and selling for 3.5 cents per KWH. Logic was they provide power 24/7 while the homeowner was storing power on the grid AND was not having to go find customers AND windmill only provided power when wind blew. Windmill owner sued... not sure of the outcome.

    4. Add solar cells underneath windmills and get more bang for the buck in limited spaces.

    5. Windmills are ugly...talk about horrible views...look out the window, see 40 windmills and a puff of feathers as a bird hits one. Yuck.

    6. Also, windmills stop the wind so could the neighbor down wind sue for loss of breeze? Or for making HIS windmill less efficient? Holy Wind Wars Batman (and shades of the Texas water wars)!

    Alex

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