good point delta t, From what I have seen Its not the concept that goes sour its the people who run things get greedy and paranoid, and start making bad decisions. The whole mafia thing in the union, thats scary. It seems when you get a whole lot of people together there seems to be some sort of breakdown of the system internally. The recent folding of big financial bussiness's (ENRON) because a few CEO's lied and cheated to help themselves, left a large group of honest hard working people out in the street or worse. This seems to hold for political systems as well (communism) The corruption comes from within. There are always people who want to make a buck at other peoples expense, and as they go deeper into the "dark side" they don't really care if a lot of people get killed in the process. Look at these south american contries, the power goes back and forth from military to dictator to drug lords. It seems that there always is someone to fill that gap. Who has time to find out all that is going on to fight this? we all work and do the best we can, if you get in the union, well your there, if not your somewhere else. Between house payments and kids how can we stop this kind of corruption. We read in the newspapers that a doctor is killing people, a judge is raping, government contracts are forged and never delivered. Its the people. thats where the moral part comes in, but I don't think you can influence wholly from the outside, somewhere we decide that something is not right and we don't do it. I have seen places where they try to wear you down with " go ahead take that home, we will say we sold it to the customer" and then its more and more, after a while you start thinking yeah thats right. But its not. I guess its an everyday struggle for everyone, and if you follow blindly whithout asking WHY? this is what happens.