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    How do Union workers rationalize voting for Republican candidates. It makes no sense to vote for a party that hates Unions when you work for a Union and enjoy the benefits they provide. If you work for a union and vote republican you should quit your job and work for a company where your wages and benefits are determine by supply and demand.


    [Edited by air1 on 07-29-2004 at 03:39 PM]
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    Originally posted by air1
    If you work for a union and vote republican you should quit your job and work for a company where your wages and benefits are determine by supply and demand.[Edited by air1 on 07-29-2004 at 03:39 PM]
    I'm confused by your statement. Aren't all wages basically determined by supply and demand? If there is no demand for what I do or have to offer, who is going to pay me? And why would anyone pay me for something they don't want or need?

    Have I misunderstood your words?
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    There is a very interesting article in the washington post HERE Sorry, registration required. Here's a short quote.

    Breaking sharply with the enforced harmony of the Democratic National Convention, the president of the largest AFL-CIO union said Monday that both organized labor and the Democratic Party might be better off in the long run if Sen. John F. Kerry loses the election.
    That was Andrew L. Stern the head of the SEIU. A pretty large union that isn't going to be supporting Mr Kerry.

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    Originally posted by DeltaT
    Originally posted by air1
    If you work for a union and vote republican you should quit your job and work for a company where your wages and benefits are determine by supply and demand.[Edited by air1 on 07-29-2004 at 03:39 PM]
    I'm confused by your statement. Aren't all wages basically determined by supply and demand? If there is no demand for what I do or have to offer, who is going to pay me? And why would anyone pay me for something they don't want or need?

    Have I misunderstood your words?
    Union pay is not determined by supply and demand. Unions are a socialist institution that artificialy inflates wages higher than a free market would dictate. Why do you think Unions pay scale is higher than non-union jobs? The only time non-union pay is competitive with unions is in strong union regions. In areas where there is little competition from unions the pay scale is much lower. Sometime three to four times lower. So, in a way, unions also help to keep non-union wages higher. Otherwise companys would lose their best workers to unions. I wounder how many companys have lost employees to unions. And how can you blame a worker for leaving for a better deal.

    Unions are a form of wealth redistribution. The reason there is even a middle class is because of unions. Otherwise we would live in a type of aristocratic society.

    Through collective bargaining, unions can negotiate better compensation. Without unions you would just be fired and someone willing to work for less would be hired. With more workers than jobs there would be no limit to how low wages would go. I guess they couldn't go lower than the minimum wage. But the same people that oppose unions oppose minimum wage.

    Do you work for a union?
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    Originally posted by pjs
    Only the smart members vote their minds the rest are sheep.
    Don't believe everything you think.
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    Union pay is not determined by supply and demand. Unions are a socialist institution that artificialy inflates wages higher than a free market would dictate. Why do you think Unions pay scale is higher than non-union jobs?

    Unions are a form of wealth redistribution. The reason there is even a middle class is because of unions. Otherwise we would live in a type of aristocratic society.

    But the same people that oppose unions oppose minimum wage.

    Do you work for a union? [/B]
    Interesting points of view. Still, doesn't the free market end up regulating everyone's wage, union or non-union? Take for instance all the steel plants that use to be in Pennsylvania. Lots of union workers making good money for generations but just about all the factories and jobs are gone. If there is no demand, there are no jobs to demand a wage for.

    Looks like you have done a lot of thinking about this subject but some of your statements seem to be so broad as they can not be true. I am sure not each and every person who oppose unions oppose minimum wage. Maybe, in your experience the majority of people, but all?

    No, I don't work for a union.
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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by DeltaT
    Union pay is not determined by supply and demand. Unions are a socialist institution that artificialy inflates wages higher than a free market would dictate. Why do you think Unions pay scale is higher than non-union jobs?

    I am sure not each and every person who oppose unions oppose minimum wage. Maybe, in your experience the majority of people, but all?

    No, I don't work for a union.
    My statements are very generalized and are directed towards an ideaology that opposes any type of socialized welfare. Those type of people believe in Darwinan Capitalism and a free market that is totaly deregulated. If you go to the Heritage foundation web site you will see what the republican agenda really is.
    They want to deregulate business and eliminate social security, Medicare and the minimum wage. They despise unions and everything they stand for. If they had thier way we would truly have a two class society.

    roaches and ants live by the laws of supply and demand. One would think that as intellegent beings we could come up with a better system.
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    union workers shouldn't vote republican



    but I wonder why all these working class people vote republican.

    republicans are the party of the factory owners,not the workers.


    the big lie of the last 50 years is that the republican party does anything for people who make a living with their own sweat.


    why do poor ,undereducated people vote republican....
    disinformation is the answer.propaganda.




    and unions may be corrupt now,but the idea of labor organizing against the exploitation of the monied intrests,is american.

    and the good life that is now,was fought for and won by those that did stand up and fight the fat cats who owned the factories in the north.

    who moved their operations south to escape these labor unions/pay scale.

    and now are moving out of the country to do the same thing,

    make more money.



    the republican party is a beast that does not know itself.

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    Originally posted by remember
    union workers shouldn't vote republican



    but I wonder why all these working class people vote republican.

    republicans are the party of the factory owners,not the workers.


    the big lie of the last 50 years is that the republican party does anything for people who make a living with their own sweat.


    why do poor ,undereducated people vote republican....
    disinformation is the answer.propaganda.




    and unions may be corrupt now,but the idea of labor organizing against the exploitation of the monied intrests,is american.

    and the good life that is now,was fought for and won by those that did stand up and fight the fat cats who owned the factories in the north.

    who moved their operations south to escape these labor unions/pay scale.

    and now are moving out of the country to do the same thing,

    make more money.



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    Originally posted by air1
    Originally posted by pjs
    Only the smart members vote their minds the rest are sheep.
    Don't believe everything you think.
    Well I'm just smarter than you .

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    boot....you need a new answer.
    FILL OUT YOUR PROFILE!!

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    Originally posted by tinner73
    boot....you need a new answer.
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    Why? It is short and to the point. Besides, it doesn't take a lot to shed light in the darkness.
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