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    Please note that the above speech was given by well known novelist Jack London to the Oakland Socialist Party of which Jack London belonged.

    A longtime member of the Socialist Party and supporter of Communism Jack London was only Socialist towards others. He himself was not interested in helping his fellow man when he became filthy rich.

    reference; http://sheena.donnellytech.com/jackl.html
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    Originally posted by RoBoTeq
    Originally posted by Dowadudda
    Let me just ask you point blank. In your own words. Why don't you think it's a good thing??
    I will object when union workers try to justify their wages by not acknowledging the damage that unions are doing to the United States economy. If the 85% of the merit shop workers of a particular trade are making $20 an hour and the 15% of these workers that are unionized are making $25 an hour, maybe the union guys are simply overpaid.
    You never even considered that the others are underpaid. Why is that? Kinda sounds like sour grapes, are we making more than you are?

    A CEO making fifty million a year, always seems to think the guy making thirty bucks an hour is overpaid. What hurts the economy more Unions, or the Tycos, and Enrons. You want to talk greed then lets start at the top.

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    well said Frozen...........
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    Okay fine Robo. You think your way. I disagree with it, but go ahead, do your thang. But remember. There are many veiwpoints other than your own. And it doesn't make them any less or more correct.

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    This discussion is not a matter of viewpoint, it is a matter of justification. I have repeated many times over that I cannot justify feeling badly about someone who justifies being in a union to make more money.

    Everyone else is underpaid?!! Come on, you cannot really believe that this country could survive everyone making union wages, can you? That is not justification, that is turning a blind eye to reality.

    Unions prey on the government to support the high wages. The government turns the higher cost of dealing with union labor over to the taxpayers. That is how it works.

    As for the CEO's and owners making a lot of money.....what the hell! It's their business and they are the ones who sought the American dream to work hard and accomplish much! What about the millions of dollars goint to the union boss's who's only job is to force the business's to increase their cost of doing business!

    Yes folks, unions are still in the racketeering business and union workers are the unions paid drones who will support the cause till the hive is dead. Then we get to see pitiful looking people on TV moping around crying about their jobs being sent overseas. Look for the union label? Hell, it's getting harder to find any label from the U.S. anymore.

    Tell me about the union successes in the American textile industry. Let's here some bragging about what the unions have done to the American steel industry that is now only still surviving because congress is afraid of the national security issue if they go under completely. Let's hear how wonderful the railroad industry has done with their unionized labor force.

    Now that the unions have destroyed our manufacturing industries they must rely on the service industries. Since service cannot so easily be done from overseas this is an area where unions can actually ruin the country while the union bosses set up their villas in Italy and South America.

    The government service industries were the first to get hit because the unions use a lot of their vast wealth to buy off...er...support politicians who will push for government workers to unionize. This worked out really well for the airline industry. If President Reagan had not fired all of the union Air Traffic Controllers there would have either been planes falling out of the sky or the airline industry would have come to a halt. Like the great Socialist stated, "killing is justified".

    We weren't so lucky with some of the police strikes that shut down cities like New Orleans and Chicago. Nor were the people with the burned out buildings happy about union firefighters not showing up to fight the fires that in some cases were found to be started by union firefighters "to show what can happen if the extortion payments are not made."

    Many help line jobs are going off shore to avoid the unions, so there is at least one service industry that found a way around being told how to run their business.

    When the combined organizations of union workers only amount to 11% of the American workforce and more than 50% of that is under government contract, there is something wrong that this small force can affect the entire country so much. The tactics used are tantamount to terrorism. These are the tactics used by the gangs that stores either paid for insurance protection or it was gaurenteed that something bad was going to happen.

    The U.S. was greatly inconvenienced when UPS went on strike. Why did the UPS strike occur? Did the workers not get what they wanted? As a matter of fact, the workers had a better deal before the strike than after. The strike was called because the union wanted an increase in union dues and sacrificed some of the employee benefits to get this with the strike. So....millions of Americans were held hostage until the union bosses got more money.

    The West Coast dock workers strike put several small business's out of business as perishable goods rotted in ships that could not be unloaded. But hey, those American workers and business owners don't count because they are not of the 11% that rule this country by terrorism.

    I again applaud anyone getting as much money for his/her work as you can. But if it's because a union has extorted an American business to do so, don't try to tell me that this is in any way productive for the country.
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    Originally posted by frozensolid
    You never even considered that the others are underpaid. Why is that? Kinda sounds like sour grapes, are we making more than you are?

    A CEO making fifty million a year, always seems to think the guy making thirty bucks an hour is overpaid. What hurts the economy more Unions, or the Tycos, and Enrons. You want to talk greed then lets start at the top.

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    Please understand that I am not name calling here. I am stating facts. What this post says is what any good Socialist or even more so Communist leader would say.

    Let's get something straight here; there is always someone at the top. In Socialistic and Communistic countries those at the top are few and the class distinctions are vast and keep getting worse until there is a rebellion.

    Watch what you ask for. If all workers in the U.S. were unionized the wages would need to drop to well below poverty level in order to make everyone equal while still providing vast wealth to those union bosses and government officials in charge.

    Unions are based on Socialism. Socialism is based on Communism. Communism has not survived as a major influence anywhere in the world but Cuba. And in a few years Cuba will be the 51st state of the United States.
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    CHICAGO POLICE STRIKE????? i live in chicago. WTF are you talking about??? did you mean the strike of 1894?? if you are done talking please pull your pants up.......it's coming out of the wrong end........1894...your an idiot.....really...only makes sense you work where you do.
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    It sounds to me ike Roboteq has never heard of project labor agreements. If he is so big on stating facts, than why doesnt he mention the sucessful projects done under PLAs? Oh yeah, thats becuase he would contradict himself.

    I have seen more than one project held up, overbudget, hacked, quit in the mddle of, late, or any combination of these phrases, by unskilled nonunion wokers. Dont get me wrong, there are some good nonunion companies out there but they are far and few between.

    Bottom line, If you want to work for a fair wage, be treated fairly, join a union and be treated decently.

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    Republicans do not deserve Union jobs.
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    Robo sorry i missed one of your previous posts . But yes, I do have some proof, the individual who told me about this 8 for 12 deal is a good friend of mine. He is now IBEW and is much better off. I also think you should stop comparing trade unions to shop unions. They are 2 diferent animals. Most trade unions do not have seniority and can lay off and hire off of the list at will. There are ways of clearing the dead wood.


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    I kinda meant proof that you could post.
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    Originally posted by tinner73
    CHICAGO POLICE STRIKE????? i live in chicago. WTF are you talking about??? did you mean the strike of 1894?? if you are done talking please pull your pants up.......it's coming out of the wrong end........1894...your an idiot.....really...only makes sense you work where you do.
    I see no need for your personal attack of me, your calling me names or your slandering remarks of my job; especially when you are not denying my allegation.

    Of course, I may have had the wrong city in this case. I seem to recall the Chicago police were not allowed to strike so they called in sick instead.
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    Originally posted by RoBoTeq
    Originally posted by tinner73
    CHICAGO POLICE STRIKE????? i live in chicago. WTF are you talking about??? did you mean the strike of 1894?? if you are done talking please pull your pants up.......it's coming out of the wrong end........1894...your an idiot.....really...only makes sense you work where you do.
    I see no need for your personal attack of me,
    ..and i see no need for your lying bull****.
    your calling me names or your slandering remarks of my job;
    ..but it's ok to slander my job.
    especially when you are not denying my allegation.
    i am denying them

    Of course, I may have had the wrong city in this case.
    ..oh how convienent. more bull****.
    I seem to recall the Chicago police were not allowed to strike so they called in sick instead.
    ..just to set the record straight..my father is a retired chicago policeman. 20th district. and that **** never happened.....ever. you have got some pretty big balls making these bull**** allegations. your problems is you make up bull****....well now you've been called on it. you are full of ****, sir. you sure seem to know alot about MY city. have you ever been here? probably not. you probably couldn't afford a hotel room downtown. it's all union down there. and you probably earn a peasant's wage from your wonderful company of such quality products.
    ...i'm not the type of person that would come on here and say that the non-union are all un-trained hacks. but you seem to have no problem slandering anyone who belongs to a union. do you think the "wall of shame" pics are mostly done by union installers of non-union??....pay attention as you go through the thread.......... you'll see a lot of your company's quality products in there.........explain why that is?
    FILL OUT YOUR PROFILE!!

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