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  1. #170
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    The decision has already been made...............read the Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonafan View Post
    Ohhh, a basketball court. Maybe they can play some 3 on 3 after they design and build a bomb in the basement.

    Could you explain how Christian churches threaten Muslims.

    Right wing politicians??? Harry Ried??? Even your hero BO thinks it's a stupid idea. Should they be allowed to build? Yes Should they build? No

    I agree that Constitutionally there is nothing to stop them. I 100% support their right to build it. However, talk about insensitive. There must be a shortage of space to build on in lower Manhatten. The whole thing is nothing but a big FU to the victims of 911. They know exactly what they are doing and they also know that this is the USA and that they are afforded this kind of freedom in this country only. Let them try to build a Baptist church in Basra.

    Of course, we have to remove Christian symbols in the middle of deserts because they are on "government land".

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2004Jun8.html
    That about sums it up
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    Nice job reb, you got everybody riled up and now you dont even stop by
    You sure are cocky for a starving pilgrim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dna View Post
    The decision has already been made...............read the Constitution.
    Funny when a religion's core beliefs are for the destruction of our country then they no longer deserve the rights our Constitution affords true religions. Perhaps you love Islam more than you do the USA. Your choice and that appears to be similar to the far left who never have liked our country and our laws and of course the Muslims. Thank you very much
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    Quote Originally Posted by geerair View Post
    A Christian president acting on orders from the Christian god to wipe out those of another faith in what was labeled a crusade and you say there was no religion involved?

    You really are wrong on this one....and very badly wrong.
    You really should learn a least a small portion of humility.
    You are coming off like an antagonist jerk on this thread, geerair.

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    There's another way I look at this. They, these people who call themselves muslims and who are apparently and obviously radical, use the very products of freedom that we all pay for, against us.

    To them, our strengths....and having freedoms is strength to this nation, is our weakness to them.

    They took our own airplans full of free citizens during their normal course of lives and ran them into centrally located buildings that were built in the financial district of one of the most propersous cities and in one of the greatest nations in the world to show that they could do it.

    Now, no matter what your point of view, they have shown up at the door of the victims families and told them they want to build a monument of their chosing and their design where they may come and go at their own pleasures in the back yards of each and every victim of this horrifice event.

    And they, once again, our using our own strengths as a country ....the right to believe in the belief system of one's choice.... to create a form of and an appearance of conquering their enemies right under their enemies nose which we will see every day.

    And not only do they get to create a symbol of their victory over us on our own grounds, but they do it, once again, by using our own laws and our own land.

    We have no choice but to abide by our own rules of civility and allow them to build because of their engineered excuse of their belief system being a religion. But we do have to choice to respond in a way fitting to our own great standards less we become like them.

    And becoming like them is their ultimate goal. This certainly is not the end of their attacks. My observation is that every single city, big or small, is and has been under attack by them for a while now. Just because you don't see any weapons doesn't mean an attack is not taking place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frostman View Post
    If you honestly believe religious beliefs had nothing to do with Bush starting the war in Iraq, then I have a luxurious 4 bedroom beach front home in Baghdad to sell you for the cool price of a half a million dollars. I think you're the one who's usually wrong here.
    This is your unsubstantiated opinion. Show me anything that says that the U.S. has sent military persons of all faiths including those who don't believe in faith to the Middle East for Christianity. Either show something that supports this idiocy or shut up about trying to come up with anything hateful about Christianity. If the U.S. went to war in Iraq as a Christian nation, then you better be willing to accept that the U.S. is a Christian nation whose citizens must adhere to Christian values. I know that the U.S. is not a Christian nation. Even though most of the U.S.s laws and political structure is based on Judeo-Christian values, the U.S. is not a Christian nation and the war in Iraq is not a Christian war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    This is your unsubstantiated opinion. Show me anything that says that the U.S. has sent military persons of all faiths including those who don't believe in faith to the Middle East for Christianity. Either show something that supports this idiocy or shut up about trying to come up with anything hateful about Christianity. If the U.S. went to war in Iraq as a Christian nation, then you better be willing to accept that the U.S. is a Christian nation whose citizens must adhere to Christian values. I know that the U.S. is not a Christian nation. Even though most of the U.S.s laws and political structure is based on Judeo-Christian values, the U.S. is not a Christian nation and the war in Iraq is not a Christian war.
    Shame Pat Robertson didn't win the Republican nomination in 88. He beat Bush in the Iowa caucus early in the primaries but lost big in the NE like New Hampshire. I guess we could have called this a Christian nation then and that would have been fine with me. Thank you, thank you very much
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gib's Son View Post
    As much as I hate the idea (as others have mentioned) they do have the right to build there. There is no logical rational for building there but to stick it in our face. I am not al all surprised how the liberal lefties like Anita Dunn stick up for the Muslims while they say nothing about the Greek Orthodox Church that wants to rebuild is continuously being denied.
    Having the legal right to do something and it being right to do something are two very different things. I have the right to read a porno magazine while waiting for a bus in front of a church, mosque or synogogue. Does that mean that I should do so?

    Just because a thing is legal does not make it right. We must ask ourselves first and foremost why Muslim's chose a place so close to where people who they will be associated with murdered thousands of innocent Americans in a deliberate attack on the U.S. If there is any possible rational reason for Muslim's choosing to have a place of worship and Muslim building so close to this hallowed place of innocent's murdered, then we need to ask ourselves if these Muslim's have any clue as to how being so close to this hallowed gravesite will adversely affect the feelings of millions of others as well as how adversely perceived they will be for wanting to have a place of worship so close to where others of their religion murdered others out of hatred only because those others were not believers in Islam.

    There is no rational reason for Muslim's to want to build a monument to their politico/religious ideals anywhere near ground zero....none. There are however historical reasons for Muslim's to want to build that mosque near a place in which Muslim's have conquered others. Legal? Yes. Proper for any other reason? NO!

    If this mosque is not allowed to be built, there will be a backlash from Muslims. How do we know that? Leaders of the Muslim community have made that statement well known.

    If this mosque is allowed to be built, Muslim's will hope that it will be desicrated by those who are angered by it's existance. Why would Muslim's want their mosque to be desicrated? So they can claim they are being oppressed and do what the Qu'ran commands them to do when they are oppressed; kill all oppressors.

    The desire to build a mosque near ground zero is nothing less then a military strategy to provoke action against infidels in the constant, ongoing war that Islam has waged against the world 1400 year ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    Shame Pat Robertson didn't win the Republican nomination in 88. He beat Bush in the Iowa caucus early in the primaries but lost big in the NE like New Hampshire. I guess we could have called this a Christian nation then and that would have been fine with me. Thank you, thank you very much
    With the quality of person's claiming to be Christians, Pat Robertson included, in no way would I want to live in a country that does not allow religious freedom.

    God wants us to have the freedom to choose. If we lived in a Christian nation, we would be going against God's will for us to have the freedom to choose. God does not want us to be forced to accept and/or to love Him. God wants us to understand His love for us and for us to willingly accept and love God. No way would I want to live in a country that defies the will of God by taking away God's giving us the ability to freely choose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan36 View Post
    You really are wrong on this one....and very badly wrong.
    You really should learn a least a small portion of humility.
    You are coming off like an antagonist jerk on this thread, geerair.
    I am merely using the template I see employed here on a daily basis.

    Substitute Muslim for Christian and to the resident Clausewitzs here that the definition of a jihad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan36 View Post
    You really are wrong on this one....and very badly wrong.
    You really should learn a least a small portion of humility.
    You are coming off like an antagonist jerk on this thread, geerair.
    Save your time , geer thrives on causing trouble, his posts have very little substance and are designed for the sole purpose of irritating others.

    Geer is everything bad about liberals, everything is someone elses fault, nothing he says or does is wrong, he can say anything he wishes and you shouldnt even reply,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,someone told me its a female
    You sure are cocky for a starving pilgrim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geerair View Post
    I am merely using the template I see employed here on a daily basis.

    Substitute Muslim for Christian and to the resident Clausewitzs here that the definition of a jihad.
    I must admit, no matter how stupid your previous posts are, you do manage to exceed their stupidity in your latest post.

    Give one example where Muslim's were falsely blamed for a Muslim attack.
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