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    Originally posted by motorboy1
    Originally posted by hvacbear
    If this is about oil why do we pay close to two dollars a gallon at the pump???????
    Don't you get it? Halliburton/Cheney and their no bid contracts plus Iraq equals damn near free oil for Halliburton/Cheney. They in turn sell it to us suckers at a huge profit. Bush and Co. don't want oil prices to go down because their profits will decrease. That's why it's all about oil. It may seem simplistic but I'll bet I'm closer to the truth than we'll ever know.
    You need help. You are closer to a straightjacket than you will ever know.

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    James - talk about the issues, not the other HVAC-Talk members.

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    Originally posted by remember


    IF any of you people do NOT think this war is for oil,stand up.

    you are a moron.

    give some reasons for your delusions.

    besides ,"they said so"

    wake-up you petro-junkies,and think.
    look in a mirror goofball!!

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    let's go through this again ,for those of you yhat missed it.



    this war is about oil.


    the future of american hegemony is about oil.



    our economy demands a CHEAP supply of oil.
    $28/barrel is optimum

    the reason america helped create saddam throughout the 70's and 80's was about oil.the reason we helped him murder and oppress those people was for oil.the "REALPOLITIC" is oil.

    the reason we overthrew the democratically elected administration of mossadegh in Iran in 1954 ,was about oil.
    (ask me ,if you want me to go into the complicated arrangement of deals that the "anglo-arabian oil co" had in fleecing the Iranians)

    the only reson that the entire mideast is of any strategic importance at all,is about oil.


    our economy is based on oil
    as an extremely efficient form of energy production with a myriad of other vital uses.


    our economy doesn't HAVE to be based on oil,but that is how the major financial/petro industry has created the infrastructure around which all other players in that so-called "market-system" of ours depends.


    this is the world now.


    the world oil production capacity is near its maximum.

    in the oil field that sits under Iran/Iraq/saudi arabia/kuwait is @ 65% of the worlds oil supply.


    deals have been made with all the parties involved over the decades,that individuals can "make" vast fortunes for themselves,as long as they provide the world markets with oil at a "reasonable" ( $28/barrel recently)price;and most importantly,with as little disruption of flow as possible.
    they ,also as "the front man",deflect the appearance of colonization,which proved to be unworkable in centuries of colonizing by the european powers,with the result always being eventual revolution,when the economic intrests are forfeitted completely.
    the arrangement of shared profits is better in the "long term",as it stands.

    dictatorial gov'ts are better equipped to "reform"populations and keep people in line,so as to deliver that oil.that is why we as a foreign policy;destroy democratically elected leaders(they try to nationalize their resources,for the good of their own people)
    We prop up and perpetuate dictators.

    the shared parts are that the major oil companies actually make their money from refining oil,not drilling it.

    Standard oil;which is now calledExxon,mobil,sunoco,chevron,texaco,marathon,conoco, phillips,etc.)are refiners.they contract out buying oil from drillers.
    some companies,like parts of halliburton,manufacture,build and maintain pipelines and drilling equiptment.

    they supply the oil drillers which tend to be "the foreign" entities in these transactions.

    and a family like ,house of SAUD,just has to keep the tap running,and it will recieve whatever help is possible to stay in power.

    and all the people making a fine living on the "wheel"of oil,just need to keep it going as long as possible.





    right now,the world oil fields are at near peak production.

    the US uses a disprportionately large portion of the oil that is being pumped and refined all over the world.


    there have been no new oil fields found since 1976.that it is possible to get the oil at the "cheap"price.with the "cheap" methods of drilling.


    if they were to find a field today,it would be at lest a decade before any of that oil could be brought to market.
    but they didn't find any.

    and your are talking about the need to find a "serious" amount.
    not like the "smokescreen" of drilling in anwahr,alaska;which at most might have about enough oil to keep the world oiled for two months or so.not a real solution,just a diversion.

    and the oil production being near its peak,means that right now,we are nearing that equilibrium point.


    but the real picture lies in the future.


    we use a large percentage of the oil coming out.

    this country is growing.

    after the energy crises of the 70's,we made our energy usage more efficient on the whole.which decreased our consuption,though we produced more energy.to meet the needs of a growing population and growing economy.


    now ,with high efficiency,our consuption is growing again.
    our population is growing.
    for our "market-economy"to prosper,growth is required.
    capitalistic economic growth as an ideal requires infinite growth potential.


    the oil supply is finite.

    our demand on it is growing.
    our economic models require growth.

    still,this is just our little supply and demand dillemma.




    welcome to china.
    welcome to india


    a huge population that right now is largely agrarian.

    they are builing highways in china,like we did in the 50's.
    they are building automobile plants.
    India is doing the same thing.

    In the near future these countries,will compete with us for a greater share of the world oil production,which is already near its peak.

    point 1)
    notice where the main oil reserves in the world are:

    middle east,
    caspian sea region(uzbeckestan,turkministan,etc)former soviet union

    west africa:niger,libya,congo(also in the east as in sudan)
    south america:columbia,venezuala
    and of course ,around our borders.


    point2)
    notice the deployment of american troops

    middle eastern oil field-Iraq
    afghanistan(decided upon pipeline route for caspian exports to markets in china and india)*note
    uzbecastan,turkministan,etc.
    west africa,niger
    libya has been brought on line with offers of legitimacy and promises of dynasty building;so much for being a terrorist,quadaffy.
    navy is building ports on west coast region now.
    "plan columbia",troops in there for war on drugs(don't get me started)
    Venuzuela is in play(the cia orchestrating coup's,and the new york times spreading anti-chaves propaganda)
    are some peacemakers going to sudan soon?

    point3)
    dick cheney's energy task force:
    from the 7 pages released from the judicial watch lawsuit;
    it was a report of:
    how much oil is left in the world?
    where is it?
    where are the distribution points?

    point 4)
    the oil refining industry is producing at full capacity
    this is where our current shortage is from.
    the industry doesn't want to bring any more refining plants online,because they are unsure there will be enough cheap oil in the future to pay off the investment of such major proportions.


    point 5)
    oil is not just for energy

    The "Green revolution" was the invention of petro-chemical based fertilizer..eating oil.

    the 6 billion people on this planet,are more than an "organic" agrarian world could produce food for.
    2.5 billion ,it is estimated is all that nature could supply food for.and that would mean cutting down all of our forests for space to grow food.


    PVC pipe is up in price because it is made out of oil.
    every industry and buisness uses energy,so all the other parts of the "market -economy" is dependant on cheap energy.
    look at the buisness's shutting down in california,when the energy companies were scamming them.so much for profit.
    no profit=no buisness.
    the end of capitalism as we know it.



    point6)
    so if you are wondering ,where is the immediate payoff;
    big buisness needs to "grease the wheels" to sustain lucrative relationships,and long term growth.
    we don't need to "take the oil,and sit on it",all that would do is make us targets and that would disrupt production.

    and you and I will pay $2/gal. because we are only in that equation to be paying customers,not beneficiaries.

    point 7)Afghanistan


    the US troops in that country to stabilize it to the point they can finally build that pipeline to china from the caspian sea area.
    are only benefitting american companies already invested in the project for billions of dollars.since the early 90's.(exxon,mobil,chevron,uno-cal)

    that oil is going to china and india,because these companies can make more money selling it to them.
    there is no patriotic oil company.
    multi-nationals are loyal only to themselves.
    america will have to pay the price,if it wants to play the game.
    and much of the profits those companies make ,will escape the cut the IRS gets too.
    but the american soldiers over there dying for their profits; are given at only a price to the taxpayers and their families.
    so don't expect any breaks.



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    ...and Col. Mustard killed Mr. Plum in the library.
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    Just like every other neocon Republican

    I want the oil because it's ours. Plain and simple!!

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    remember

    From what I gather you are saying that oil is the overriding factor in all our deployments.
    If that is correct do you have any factual information to base this on? or is it just assumptions?

    Answer me this riddle, if we need or want all the worlds oil then why didn't we just keep Kuwait back in "91"? It was there and open for the taking from them, what!! that would be wrong.
    Better yet, why not just support Saddam and buy it all from him at reduced prices, you know; Haliburton could have struck up a great deal.

    Does any of this make sense?


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    Re: remember

    Originally posted by bobby7388
    From what I gather you are saying that oil is the overriding factor in all our deployments.
    If that is correct do you have any factual information to base this on? or is it just assumptions?

    Answer me this riddle, if we need or want all the worlds oil then why didn't we just keep Kuwait back in "91"? It was there and open for the taking from them, what!! that would be wrong.
    Better yet, why not just support Saddam and buy it all from him at reduced prices, you know; Haliburton could have struck up a great deal.

    Does any of this make sense?

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    Correct-o-mundo, Bobby. Of course, nothing Remember says, or copies, makes sense. Standard dem/lib garbage put to print.
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    halliburton was buying oil from iraq,under the oil for food program.

    and most of all;

    we didn't "lose" that oil.

    after the war:
    harken energy got a sweetheart deal for oil contracts in the gulf of bahrain.,even though the company was "out of its league"with such a substantial deal.
    GWBUSH screwed it up,

    but he did manage to sell his stock before the bottom fell out.
    interesting how those papers didn't turn up till several years later,SAYING they were only filed months late.
    either way it was enough time for "insider trading" to be effective.

    than bush took that money and bought himself a ball team.


    but like I said before,we don't want to be seen as an empire.
    the relationship with the kuwaiti's as with the saudi's has been forming for decades.

    there was no need to stay,the big oil companies made plenty of money in the last decade,no need to be foolish and shoot the goose that lays the golden egg.

    so in answer to your question,yes,oil is the reason for our stance in the region.

    that is the only commodity there worth creating the dictatorships,that have fostered all this anti-american hatred.


    and I can't say what the future will hold.

    and there is no reson for you to believe anything just because I say it;so you can investigate for yourself if you like.

    that is up to us to make our best guess and prepare ourselves accordingly.


    and BOOtlen,,you wouldn't know accuracy,if it jumped up and bit you on the ass.ignorance isn't a virtue.

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