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    Remember

    Your taking the definition out of context and basicly re-defining it to fit into your arguement to try and back it up.

    1)Betrayal of trust refers to ie: selling of secrets, telling secrets. If your wife were to lie to you, you wouldn't accuse her of treason, would you? So how could you label others as such, soley on a speculation of lying?
    2)Speaks for it-self, I don't see how Bush has attempted to overthrow himself, or others in his administration.

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    well,my wife isn't running the country.
    that is out of context,and trying to fit your arguement.

    a public official,takes an oath to serve and protect.
    so when their lies do harm to that country,I consider that treason.

    not that I'm expecting bush to be charged with that.
    he might have committed impeachable offenses,which if you go to henry waxman's website,you can see that they have already drawn the articles of impeachment up for bush,cheney,rice for specific lies,acts.

    but this is a republican congress,so there isn't a chance that they would ever pass those articles and impeach them.

    even though bill clinton did nothing even remotely this serious to get himself impeached.
    but that was a republican congress,on a witchhunt,nothing more.


    and there is a vagueness about everything,
    causistry and equivocation,
    the jesuits have opened the way for the world to be "spun"
    and machiavelli plays on and on."if a leader did not have an enemy he would need to create one"

    so bush is guilty of the first definition.
    those two examples were just what was in the dictionary.

    the group that i'm starting to list is guilty of the second.
    and the erosion of our constitution is coming from them.

    and they have been at it for a very long time.
    that is why I say ,

    even though "CAPPS II",just got canned like the "TIPS" plan did.,because they were unconstitutional,

    that doesn't mean that the rabblerousers can let down their gaurd,because they have been tried before and they will be tried again.

    and part of the gripe I have is even if the "members of the board" allow their current "ceo"(bush and co.) to be ousted in a wave of public indignation(we'll see in november);
    their next "ceo"(kerry and co)will be right in there.

    and at this point the election is already decided.

    the next administration will have a skull and bones member as president and the cabinet will be populated by council on foreign relation types.

    and I'll get into this later;
    the council is just a front group.It was set up that way.

    they have suffered two defeats in history and restructured accordingly.
    they are now getting to be what they say they are"a nonpartisan think tank."

    they started as only bankers and big buisness heads and political leaders.

    got in trouble with congress,and have reinvented themselves to fit what is needed in the current climate ,whatever that may be.

    so now you might even see them announce themselves on tv as experts in every field.as a member of the council.
    normally ,the people speaking are designated whatever other titles they have;sec.of state,ambassadors,cia directors,authors,reps from brookings/american enterprise inst.,etc.

    they are preparing a legitimate place in public discussion.

    and i'm not into "conspiracy"either.I see a culture.

    the proper study would be english political history.

    because the council is the foreign relations of england ,not the US.
    that is who created it and the tradition they uphold.

    go back to federalists ,alexander hamilton,aligning with england.

    "atlantic union committee"

    the union of britian and US.

    you could understand our alliance a little better ,especially considering england isn't like us or the ideals put forth in the amendments(first 10)of our constitution.

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    Originally posted by remember
    well,my wife isn't running the country.
    that is out of context,and trying to fit your arguement.

    a public official,takes an oath to serve and protect.
    so when their lies do harm to that country,I consider that treason.

    not that I'm expecting bush to be charged with that.
    he might have committed impeachable offenses,which if you go to henry waxman's website,you can see that they have already drawn the articles of impeachment up for bush,cheney,rice for specific lies,acts.

    but this is a republican congress,so there isn't a chance that they would ever pass those articles and impeach them.

    even though bill clinton did nothing even remotely this serious to get himself impeached.
    but that was a republican congress,on a witchhunt,nothing more.


    and there is a vagueness about everything,
    causistry and equivocation,
    the jesuits have opened the way for the world to be "spun"
    and machiavelli plays on and on."if a leader did not have an enemy he would need to create one"

    so bush is guilty of the first definition.
    those two examples were just what was in the dictionary.

    the group that i'm starting to list is guilty of the second.
    and the erosion of our constitution is coming from them.

    and they have been at it for a very long time.
    that is why I say ,

    even though "CAPPS II",just got canned like the "TIPS" plan did.,because they were unconstitutional,

    that doesn't mean that the rabblerousers can let down their gaurd,because they have been tried before and they will be tried again.

    and part of the gripe I have is even if the "members of the board" allow their current "ceo"(bush and co.) to be ousted in a wave of public indignation(we'll see in november);
    their next "ceo"(kerry and co)will be right in there.

    and at this point the election is already decided.

    the next administration will have a skull and bones member as president and the cabinet will be populated by council on foreign relation types.

    and I'll get into this later;
    the council is just a front group.It was set up that way.

    they have suffered two defeats in history and restructured accordingly.
    they are now getting to be what they say they are"a nonpartisan think tank."

    they started as only bankers and big buisness heads and political leaders.

    got in trouble with congress,and have reinvented themselves to fit what is needed in the current climate ,whatever that may be.

    so now you might even see them announce themselves on tv as experts in every field.as a member of the council.
    normally ,the people speaking are designated whatever other titles they have;sec.of state,ambassadors,cia directors,authors,reps from brookings/american enterprise inst.,etc.

    they are preparing a legitimate place in public discussion.

    and i'm not into "conspiracy"either.I see a culture.

    the proper study would be english political history.

    because the council is the foreign relations of england ,not the US.
    that is who created it and the tradition they uphold.

    go back to federalists ,alexander hamilton,aligning with england.

    "atlantic union committee"

    the union of britian and US.

    you could understand our alliance a little better ,especially considering england isn't like us or the ideals put forth in the amendments(first 10)of our constitution.
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    some council members in the media buisness,over the years:


    walter lippman..syndicated columnist....original member cfr,woodrow wilson's"inquiry";which is what cfr is an offshoot of.*
    henry and claire luce owners/publis.(time publising,owns,people,life,fortune,money,and sports illustrated)
    cl sulzberger(arthur hayes and arthur ochs sulzberger-owners ny times)
    roone arledge..abc.founder news and sports divisions
    robert l bartley...wall street journal
    fouad ajami..freelance
    thornton f bradshaw...nbc
    david brinkley..abc
    tom brokaw...nbc
    hodding carter III..
    john chancellor...nbc
    mark danner...new yorker
    karen deyoung..ny times
    hedley donovan...time magazine
    leonard downie jr...wash post
    daniel ellsberg..pentagon papers
    max frankel..ny times
    tom friedman...ny times
    leslie h gelb..ny times
    barton david gellman
    david gergen
    paul gigot
    katherine graham..pub. wash post;eugene meyers daughter
    maurice greenberg
    james greenfield..ny times
    meg greenfield...wash post
    henry grunwald..time mag.
    jim hoagland...ny times
    warren hoge.. ny times
    walter issacson... cnn
    christopher isham..ny times
    wanda jablonski...oil industry ,syndicated
    marvin kalb...nbc
    paul krugman..ny times
    john m lee ..ny times
    jim lehrer..pbs
    irving levine..nbc
    seth lipsky
    lester markel..ny times
    judith miller..ny times
    henry muller..time mag.
    william s paley..owner cbs,chairman 70's
    maynard parker...newsweek
    walter pincus..wash. post
    dan rather..cbs
    robert rivard...san antonio paper
    stephen rosenfeld..wash post
    jack rosenthal..ny times
    harrison salisbury..ny times
    diane sawyer..abc
    daniel schoor..pbs ;misc
    hedrick smith
    richard m smith...newsweek
    laurence tisch
    garrick utley...nbc
    barbara walters...abc
    george will...fox
    thomas wyman...cbs ,chairman 80's
    mortimer zuckerman
    david sloan...exec. edit.. 20/20
    david sarnoff...owner rca/owner nbc(at the time)
    robert sarnoff...davids son
    ted koppel...abc
    robert mcniel...pbs
    eugene meyer owner/publisher wash post(post owned newsweek)
    joel dreyfuss
    herbert l matthews..ny times

    and more....

    1987 membership list includes 262 members that were ;journalists,correspondants,and media executives.


    and none of them ever did stories on a group that included the most powerful assembly of people in the nation.it is against the by laws.

    [Edited by remember on 07-17-2004 at 02:49 PM]

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    these lists are only partial.

    an example of a longer list is

    members of council on foreign relations nominated and appointed by richard nixon:


    adm. george w. anderson
    dr. george p. baker
    george ball
    jacob d. beam
    david e. bell
    lt.gen. donald v. bennett
    c. fred bergsten
    robert o. blake
    fred j. borch
    dr. harold brown
    william b. buffum
    ellsworth bunker
    frederick burkhardt
    dr. arthur burns
    henry a. byroade
    lincoln p. bloomfield
    courtney c. brown
    david k. e. bruce
    harlan cleveland
    richard n. cooper
    philip k. crowe
    gardner cowles
    william b. dale
    nathaniel davis
    c. douglas dillon
    seymour m. finger
    harvey s. firestone
    william c. foster
    thomas s. gates
    carl j. gilbert
    gen. andrew j.goodpaster
    kermit gordon
    joseph adolf greenwald
    gen.alfred m. greunther
    john w. gardner
    richard gardner
    t. kieth glennan
    gordon gray
    morton halperin
    christian a. herter
    rev.theodore m. hesburgh
    samuel p. huntington
    john n. irwin II
    j. k. jamieson
    sen. jacob javits
    joseph e. johnson
    howard w. johnson
    james r. killian
    william r. kintner
    henry kissinger
    antoine t. knoppers
    gen. george a. lincoln
    henry cabot lodge
    george cabot lodge
    henry loomis
    douglas mcarthur II
    robert mcClintoc
    john j. mcCloy
    paul w. mcCracken
    edward s. mason
    charles a. meyer
    bradford mills
    franklin d. murphy
    paul h. nitze
    gen.lauris norstad
    alfred c. neal
    roderic l. o'connor
    robert e. osgood
    frank pace jr.
    richard f. pedersen
    john r. petty
    christopher h. phillips
    alan pifer
    sen. claiborne pell
    isidor i. rabi
    stanley r. resor
    elliot l. richardson
    john richardson
    james roche
    david rockefeller
    nelson rockefeller
    rodman rockefeller
    robert v. roosa
    kenneth rush
    dean rusk
    john d. rockefeller III
    nathaniel samuels
    adolph william schmidt
    joseph j. sisco
    dr. glenn t. seaborg
    gerard smith
    henry DeW. smyth
    helmut sonnenfeldt
    john r. stevenson
    frank stanton
    robert strausz-hupe'
    leroy stinebower
    gen. maxwell d. taylor
    llewellyn thompson
    philip h. trezise
    cyrus vance
    rawleigh warner jr.
    arthur k. watson
    thomas watson
    john hay whitney
    francis o. wilcox
    franklin haydn williams
    walter wriston
    charles yost.



    do you know who made the decisions you live with?
    how did we get here?
    meritocracy or nepotism.maybe a little of both?

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    Remember your name is really Hyde and you are in the cast of that 70's right.

    Man you need to get a life spending your whole life contemplating conspiracies is a little weird.

    Or maybe your that guy Gene Hackman played in Enemy of the State with Will Smith or is it Mel Gibson. You are reading to many weird books get out enjoy the sun enjoy life have a good meal. Live a little!!!

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    Remember, just because you didn't lock your doors before doesn't mean you don't lock them now.

    That is all I have to say about that.
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    Originally posted by Diceman
    , ask Rash Limberger, who is on his second divorce and almost kicked his nasty drug habit, but his family values are OK I guess.
    You got to love old Rush Bo and his devine following.

    I have never heard a more pompous hypocrite in my life.

    "Ladies and Gentlemen, I am doing what I was born to do, host this show...and you are doing what you are supposed to do...listen to me"

    I am not sure which annoys me more, Rush or his blind audience.

    Funny how if you are a working class Joe with a drug problem you are an addict...if you are a celebrity radio host you have an illness.


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    Even on drugs he is right.

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    Jim Jones...
    David Keresh...
    Rush Limbaugh...I think he has some grape Kool Aid he wants you to try!
    Live each day like it is your last, for one day you will be right!

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    Even on drugs he is right.

    Amazingly right!

    Jim Jones...
    David Keresh...
    Rush Limbaugh...I think he has some grape Kool Aid he wants you to try!


    Your answering the wrong person. I think you meant to address Remember.

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    Originally posted by arc8
    Even on drugs he is right.

    Amazingly right!

    Jim Jones...
    David Keresh...
    Rush Limbaugh...I think he has some grape Kool Aid he wants you to try!


    Your answering the wrong person. I think you meant to address Remember.
    No, I was addressing some of the Rush fans...

    I find he has a very "cult" like following. He can do no wrong in there eyes. No question he is a great speaker, not full of a lot of facts...but never the less a great speaker.

    Live each day like it is your last, for one day you will be right!

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    Bill O'Reilly showed michael moore up for the asinine mutt he is.
    He showed the moore has no real intellect or knowledge he is just a good propagandist. History has shown us to be a good propagandist does not require intelligence just guile.
    Look at the Nazi's Josef Goebbels he had no education and he duped an entire nation.
    Even moore's Idol Richard Clark denounced his film. Moore is a guy who did very poorly in school never had any formal education after barely making it out of high school and he is the darling of the radical liberal left.

    Rush is no better than moore he is the same person no formal higher education made it through high school he just dresses better and is more articulate. He does employ the same zealous tactics as moore he is generally more factual but not much. Rush is a bombastic dilettante moore is just a bombastic slob.

    Those that fall for limbaughs tripe are no better than those that fall for moore’s bilge.

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