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    1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

    2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

    3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

    4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
    domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

    5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

    6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

    7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

    8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

    9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power base.

    10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

    11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

    12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

    13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

    14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

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    COOL

    Now I'm not only a neoconservertive but also a fascist. Heil BUSH!!

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    Fascism
    A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
    A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
    Oppressive, dictatorial control.
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    RoyC

    Well! if you are saying that America reminds your of a facist state then so be it. Look at WW2, were we facist back then also? Ooh! and don't forget the Civil War too.

    I believe that you are throwing out a generalization with no for-thought.

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    Re: RoyC

    Originally posted by bobby7388
    Well! if you are saying that America reminds your of a facist state then so be it. Look at WW2, were we facist back then also? Ooh! and don't forget the Civil War too.

    I believe that you are throwing out a generalization with no for-thought.
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    roy, that message is clear as a bell for those with eyes to see it.

    Amen



    and FYI: the US did have fascists back aroud the 20's,30's,and 40's.

    the houses of:
    duponte
    morgan
    with people like jim mooney and alfred sloan from general motors;
    actually attemted a coup in 1934.for the facists to take over the country.in many of the industrial areas there were millions of thugs for strike breaking and the like.

    they contacted Gen. Smedley Butler USMC.

    luckily he set them up and told of the scheme to congress,and the plot was foiled.

    the hands of roosevelt were tied because the country would have been further destabilized if they had prosecuted the heads of the most powerful families in this economy already on the skids in the depression.

    "War is a Racket" 1933,by Gen. Smedley Butler

    other fascist leaning families were the:
    rockefellers,
    harrimans,
    fords,
    Bushes(grandpa prescott)
    Walkers(maternal great grandpa-george Herbert Walker)

    many political visions had the world neatly divided up with germany taking over europe,russia having the east,and the union of america and great britian as controling the atlantic.and the pacific.

    the "three-block" world view.


    its not over yet.

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    mussolinni said it should be called "corporateism"


    the merger of the state and the corporation.

    we are well on our way there now.

    and with "faith based initiatives"religion has been co-opted by the state.the toe is in the door.


    capitalism is about competition,eventually there is a winner.
    the last guy playing monopoly gets a lionshare of the properties.

    that is the guy that deals with the dictator.or one of the guys that props up the dictator.

    naturally they would both want to.to ease out the competition.

    that is why ;democracy is important,capitalism must be tempered.periodically.


    hopefully this country finds its way up and not down.

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    Absolute gibberish there bemember.

    Picking out specifics and grouping them into the whole is elementary at best. If you believe that America can go the way of facisim I'll be happy to sell you the Everglades.

    Capitalism and competition are not synonymous, it's more of the "Cause and Effect" syndrome.

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    you don't think this climate now,in this country is moving towards fascism.


    actually ,I see fascism as the proposed anti-thesis to the thesis of socialism.

    the federalist strain that runs this country is more akin to socialism.

    don't forget: the nazi's were "national socialists"
    or "the union of soviet socialist republics"

    the current party platforms of both the democratic and republican party are like the socialist platforms of the 30's.


    so ,What do you think is gibberish?

    do you think capitalism doesn't incorporate competition?
    have you ever heard of the market system?

    What's the cause and what's the effect?

    does your worldview exist in a vacuum?


    I don't expect a replay of the past. times have changed,people haven't.

    the future problems we may make for ourselves,may result from the same short comings of human nature,but it is unlikely they will resemble the past in substance.


    what do you think?of a republican form of gov't?




    [Edited by remember on 07-02-2004 at 09:08 PM]

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    Facism serves the best interset of the party in power. In this be the case now, I'm damned glad to be a neoconservative Republican fascist. Sticks and stones may break my bones but a dimbulb dumbocrat will never hurt me!! As I have stated before, the US administration needs to get off its collective a$$ and take the mid east oil back by force. To hell with the trillion so called raghead dollars in the stock market. Once the saudi royal family is beheaded and an American run colony is in place, the trillion would be ours!! Problem is, dumb**** limpwrist liberals dont have the backbone to go along with this!!

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    I'm not sure if you know the party lines of their beliefs Remember.

    Democrats are more toward socialism than republicans.
    They believe in larger govt, social programs, tighter controls over corporations(remember Reagans de-regulation scandels?).
    Democrats are just socialist in a brown wrapper.


    But to say just because fascism is on the other side of the scale of socialism is not to say that republicans are fascist.

    Lets take the initial post and go down the list:
    1) 9/11 is what started the flag waving, not the govt, but the people.
    2) This could be a reference to the "Patriot Act". Why do we as a nation need a "Patriot Act"? if there was no attack then we would have no fears, correct. How do you stop the attacks?
    3)Quote- " the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe" Perceived they say, I guess flying two heavy aircraft into two very large buildings was just a perception. 3 cannot be used because the threat is most definitly not perceived.
    4)That is more of a reference to Nazi Germany I believe. Look into their history before the start of WW2. You cannot compare the U.S. today to thier problems of yesterday and try to equate the two.
    5)Bill Clinton was more of a sexist than G.W. ever will be. Thier are more upper level females in govt now than during B.C. days.
    6)Look at WW2, censorship in trying times is a neccesity. Using the argument of free press, free speech is like giving guns to kids. Just because it's in the constitution does not give you a blanket freedom to use and/or abuse it.
    7)Refer to #1.
    8)I don't see where this fits here. Enlighten me.
    9)Enron, Adelphia, and some other large corporate entities that I don't feel like looking up are paying the price for greed. Again this has no place here, every type of govt will have friends and favorites.
    10)This could take a book to go into. Labor, especially unions are so protected that others are paying the price.
    Infact we all pay for the few. Again this has no connection to this argument, labor needs more oversight due to the abuses.
    11)Refer to #8.
    12)Again the issue comes up with not much fact to back up the statement. Where is the all encompassing police force? FBI?, CIA?, HLS?, not much to go on.
    13)This has been a common practice for about 228 yrs in America, where is the fascism?
    14)If this in reference to 2000 where is the proof of voter corruption? Democrates lost and they are upset, but don't start your own fascist state to correct it, get my point.

    So as you can see picking out a few specifics to back up a mindless point is very disturbing. If you really think about it this whole thread is just an invert of it's own point.

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    actually I don't see much connection to your rebuttle.

    #1 flag waving is a pavlovian reponse,any nationalistic country(which is what the world is divided up into )will start the "flag waving" at any percieved national threat,enemy .

    #2 how do you stop the attacks? you can't.
    the patriot act may or may not help prevent attacks.just like the national security act of 1947.
    fear..that is gonna take a definition,when its fear and when its caution.fear is associated with hysteria.

    the homeland defense department is an hyterical overreaction.

    case in point:
    1933 nazi's burned down their "reichstag"

    then blamed an idiot and the communists.

    using it as an excuse for an "enabling act"(patriot act)and to create a "homeland defense" department.Goerring?
    the rest is history.

    the national security act created all that was needed to protect this country.(I say even more than what was needed)
    but bearuecrats tend to operate on the principle of "begnign neglect"as a grown-man's tantrum to prove that what they have is not enough and they will need more funding and less oversight.

    F%CK -up and ask for more money...that the way it works.

    and to that condi rice should have been fired as a matter acountability.

    #3) To say there is no threat would not be true,

    but this threat is not new,terrorism has always been around.
    so this hysterical overreaction could be said to be misplaced caution.
    we could go into how fighting iraq has been nothing but a distraction from the "war on terror"and that it has had detrimental results.
    so since we are not fighting the saudi's(who funded and were the majority of hijackers.and whose population is half under the age of 18 and with 65% unemployment and religous fundementalist rumblings)or pakistan who supplied Iran with a nuclear program(weapons designs and nuclear material producing equiptment)and a nuclear program for libya and a program for north korea,;as well as,being the creators and enablers of a puppet regime in afghanistan called "the taliban",

    then what we are fighting is not the wind,just the leaves blowing in that wind.

    that to say we are fighting an enemy,is an intellectual fraud.




    you know ,I started by answering some of what you are saying .

    but if you look at the list royc put down. It is as clear as a bell.

    I could get all long winded with every point.
    They ALL apply.

    but you may be unaware of the state of things as they stand and before you could begin to understand the importance of the subject ,you need a history lesson.and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't believe me if I told you,so go look for historical resources that are used to teach scholars.unbiased, dispassionate readings of actual players.
    not the books by "scholars" or "so-called Scholars".that are as reliable as the internet.
    for example:
    "Tradgedy and hope,a history of the world in our time"by carroll Quigley.1966,1972.


    many people look at the world as if it exists in a vacuum,nothing that has gone before is used in forming the context of their perception of things that are pre-packaged by some media entity for them.

    swallowed whole.

    also,the parties SAY all kinds of things,they both are the same.to believe their rhetoric is a sign of being naive.


    and I put communism/socialism/fascism on the same side of the political spectrum.....the many are ruled by the few..totalitarianism.

    democracy is on the other end of that spectrum.

    this country is a republic..rule by the few..but supposedly as representation of the masses.

    that is where propaganda comes in;to supply what the people think they want.


    they are for:
    free trade
    a stable dollar(strong or weak)
    running an economy as a ponzi scheme- indefinately
    keeping the mass of the population at maximum production from the cradle to the grave,so they can secure the debt incurred in their name.to the benefit of the ruling class(and their companies) most of all.

    [Edited by remember on 07-03-2004 at 09:27 PM]

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    Ironic isn't it? the democrats where the one's who wanted the HomeLand Dept created. At the time before the attacks Bush was resistant to the idea of creating such a cabinet level position.
    But!!! now that Bush has control he and they are blubbering idiots, can't do anything right, don't perform to your standards.
    You can't have it both ways.

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