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    Repair or replace?

    Hi Everyone.

    I'm looking for some feedback and advice regarding a 10 year old Goodman 5 ton 12 seer split ac/furnace unit. I was informed that it needs a new compressor (covered under warranty) along with a few other parts (filter dryer, capicitor, contactor board, and r22 refrigerant. The warranty covers all the parts, just not the labor and the freon. The contractor suggested replacing the other parts along with the compressor to make sure it is a job well done.

    1) Not sure how much freon is needed to fill the entire system. There is probably 40' of line going from the outside ac unit up to the condensor in the attic. How many feet of line can you fill (7/8's) per pound of freon (R22)?

    2) Was also quoted install of brand new system (goodman heat pump and air exchanger).

    3) My main concern is I don't know if it's a good idea to spend money on fixing the current unit (not sure if the coils will eventually go bad) or put the money into the new unit. If the coils do get a leak, can it be easily fixed?

    Any and all feedback is appreciated. Thank you.
    Last edited by acproblems; 04-21-2010 at 12:28 AM. Reason: removed pricing information

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    I don't know how the tech came up with all these recommended repairs. Have you had troubles with this unit that required a service call? How has it been performing up to now? Did you call someone to look at it? I would not want to spend money to fix a 10 year old unit, but I'm having doubts as too all these repairs and would like more info, please!
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    Pricing is prohibited here...so please edit post. It would seem from the list that you had an electrical issue, with burned-out compressor. If the compressor produced acid in this process, it will be a expensive repair in order to ensure that you don't have future issues with new compressor. Money spent either way should be spent wisely and should be fully explained to you by contractor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hidalgo1301 View Post
    Pricing is prohibited here...so please edit post. It would seem from the list that you had an electrical issue, with burned-out compressor. If the compressor produced acid in this process, it will be a expensive repair in order to ensure that you don't have future issues with new compressor. Money spent either way should be spent wisely and should be fully explained to you by contractor.

    That is what the contractor mentioned, and said the best way to ensure there is no problems with the new compressor, is to bleed the old freon and put in new, as well as change out the filter. Does this sound correct? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbenz7 View Post
    I don't know how the tech came up with all these recommended repairs. Have you had troubles with this unit that required a service call? How has it been performing up to now? Did you call someone to look at it? I would not want to spend money to fix a 10 year old unit, but I'm having doubts as too all these repairs and would like more info, please!
    No real issues. Last year seemed to work fine, however it had always had a high pitched hum or vibration to it, and I noticed last year that noise went away. Turned it on the other day, and no cold air and air flow seemed lower than norm. That's when I decided to call a professional. The contractor is suggesting replacing the other parts so there are no future problems. He tested the capacitor and it was fine. Said there was some slight burning on the contactor board.

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    heat pump or central ac

    also, being located in phoenix az, would you recommend a heat pump over central ac or vice versa? Thank you.

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    If you require heat in phoenix and don't have existing heat strips or a furnace, get a heatpump. (I doubt it gets cold enough there for a heatpump to ever go into defrost - correct me if I'm wrong)
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    Let me answer some of your questions.
    Before i do that let me say that if you got 10 years out of a Goodman system ,you got good service,thus its time for a new system especially if you can recup some of the cost with the federal rebate and any company discounts at this time.
    Ok if you have a burn out which I believe you do,you would never ever reuse the same feron as it would contain acid and wax and other contaniments that would cause you untold headaches.On that topic you would also want two filter dryers not one as you would have to put one on the suction side as well as the liquid side.These dryers would also have to be "burn out filter dryers" not reguliar dryers because they are especially designed to filter out the acid etc.that will be left by a burnout.If you don't do this you will need another compressor probably next year.
    If you decide to get a new unit,make sure the line set is replaced because all the bad stuff of the burnout will be clinging to the inswide of those lines and be released into your new system.
    As to if you should get a heat pump or an air conditioner that would be up to you.It would help you on heating costs but only you know what those costs are. and if the savings would justify the extra cost of the heat pump.
    you didn't ask but i very much would reccomend you buy the 10 year parts and labor warranty.That as well as the system is cost negotiable.
    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbenz7 View Post
    I don't know how the tech came up with all these recommended repairs. I would not want to spend money to fix a 10 year old unit, but I'm having doubts as too all these repairs and would like more info, please!

    As those additional listed items.

    Are text book items for doing a proper compressor change out.

    Sounds like it was a good tech was at the OPs house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post
    As those additional listed items.

    Are text book items for doing a proper compressor change out.

    Sounds like it was a good tech was at the OPs house.
    That's what I was going to say. I change those out no matter what. It's just part of the price of doing the job. You don't even get a say in it.
    I like DIY'ers. They pay better to fix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbenz7 View Post
    I don't know how the tech came up with all these recommended repairs. Have you had troubles with this unit that required a service call? How has it been performing up to now? Did you call someone to look at it? I would not want to spend money to fix a 10 year old unit, but I'm having doubts as too all these repairs and would like more info, please!
    The tech came up with those repairs because they are necessary for the job. Anytime you open a refrigeration system to atmosphere you should always replace/ install a liquid line drier. If it was a burnout, a suction line drier should also be installed and then removed or replaced in the near future. Just like with any motor replacement, the capacitor should be replaced whether it's good or not. The contactor could be pitted or arched, so replacement of that is good insurance of proper voltage to the new compressor. Anytime I replace a compressor, I use virgin refrigerant. I think it was a good tech that came out to diagnose the problem. On the flip side, with the unit being 10 years old, I would recommend replacement of the unit rather than replacing the compressor. I think a heat pump in Phoenix wouldn't be a bad idea.

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    Thank you

    I just wanted to say thank you to all of you who took the time to post a reply. This forum has been very helpful in making a decision (going with new unit). Thank you.

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    One additional question. Since the unit that has the issue is the outside ac unit, and the gas furnace and coils in the attic are fine, what about just replacing the ac unit and or the ac unit and coils, and NOT replace everything?

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