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  1. #40
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    Well i will tell you from our shop that, that is totally wrong, were doing just the opposite. A little personal insite, we are bidiing install jobs at way over what every other company is here, and for that were taking a huge hit, becouse were not getting many install jobs. The same goes for service, were bidding everything too make money, i know iv'e lost alot of bids becouse i was higher than what i should have been, but thats what comes down from my bosses. So no as far as i know there not lowballing anything, i cant speak for every branch and every cirmstance, but i do know were bidding to make money, weather we get the jobs or not, they dont care, they want too make money, not lose it, just like every other company out there. And ir/hussmann as big as they are, are not an endless pot of money, and cant afford to bid to lose money.
    If you cant find the time to do it right the first time, then you wont find the time the second time around....

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    Interesting. Very interesting. Very Very Interesting. I am a bit surprized for several personal reasons. I was told that they were lowballing to gain market share and with the stories of recent bids told to me that would back that up, I would say I have been lied to. I guess I shouldn't be surprized.

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    Well like i said, i cant speak for every branch, but i do know what were being told, and HAVE to do, according to the higher ups, and it is defently not lowballing going on here, accually i wish it was...lol, cause then we'd have alot more stores. But like anyone else we have to make money in order to grow. Theres alot of stiff compition here for work and alot of other contractors willing to underbid us, but if thats what they want to do, thats there bussiness and even with the buying power and resources we have we lose store bids everyday, and ir's thoughts are well if they want to bid to lose money, go right ahead, you can only do that so long before you go under. Thats why ive been trying to understand why were getting bashed all the time, but now i understand alittle bit as to why you guys are doing that. I can only speak for what i know, but i do know thats what the east coast branches are doing. Eric
    If you cant find the time to do it right the first time, then you wont find the time the second time around....

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    Eric,

    The reason why I have been so inquisitive is that, thats all I hear around these parts. That since IR bought the local Hussmann branch, that is why the other companies aren't doing so hot. Well thats not entirely the case as I am coming to understand. It's the fact that IR AKA Hussmann is now a competitive entitity to reckon with. So, let's just bash em. Let's lie. I'll tell ya. I am one that only wants to see the trade move forward, and I have been specifically anti Hussmann ever since I came to know what I was told what was going on with them. I would love to ask you a few questions in E-mail.

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    I know were not supposed to put our email on here, but if you have like aol, or yahoo, let me know. i can give ya my email from on there, or for that matter, if ya have a nextel, i can give ya that number, or i can give ya a tel #....Eric
    If you cant find the time to do it right the first time, then you wont find the time the second time around....

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    I had to pop out for a few minutes. I got nextel too. how do we do this.

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    [Edited by bowman on 05-31-2004 at 04:34 PM]
    If you cant find the time to do it right the first time, then you wont find the time the second time around....

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    the old lady just told me we got rid of our national direct connect, so it's 40 cents a minute. Take that off quick. I am on aol and dowadudda is my handle. We could IM.

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    .....and the world is a happy place again

  10. #49
    Originally posted by frozensolid
    Dow your right on the money again.

    There there always seems to be a guy willing to cut your throat for a couple of bucks. They exploit the fear of unemployment to get their way. Anything they take from you they can keep for themselves.

    Unless the american worker suddenly grows a spine. IR is gonna win.

    All those mechanics that help them, deserve what their going to get. Those of us who won't help them, are going to have to hope when the dust settles. Brains and Talent still have value.

    Personally I think real Mechanics will be worth more.

    Right on the money!! America has a lot of problems and most of them revolve around some big company wanting to cut wages and pocket the extra in some fat cats pocket. IR is one of those. I know several people from Hussmann here in the SF area, and they are all pretty upset with the tactics that IR is working on them. Right down to forcing them to take a lunch at 12:00 - 12:30. If they do not the half hour is automatically dedicted from their check. Makes for a poor way to run a service company when the ice cream is melting. Sorry Mr Store Manager, I have to stop for lunch right now. I was always way too concerned with the product loss to ever do that. Maybe I was stupid, but....

    As for Hussmann equipment, they have always been the front runner in my opinion. I have worked for Hussmann,Tyler, and a Kysor Warren distributor. Hussmann always seems to be a little ahead of the rest when it comes to new ideas. Hill used to be the worst, but they have come a long way, although there is not much of it here in the west. Hussmann has all of the stores locked in national sales aggreements, that is why the branches and local distributors can give jobs away. They get rebates at the end of the year. Just like car dealers. It is all about selling the iron.

    On a larger scale the people in the country have got to stop supporting companies that promote lower wages. They are tearing the quality of life that we have built down to the lowest common denominator. Look at Wal Mart....Great example. they come into a small community and offer low prices and everyone a job. Next thing you know all of the locals are out of business and Wal Mart owns the town. IR wants the same. They want to own all of the refrigeration.

    On the plus side, IR might not succeed. I worked for Hussmann starting in 1980. They were,at the time, owned by Pet Milk (part of Carnation Industries). They were sold to IC Industries.(Illinois Central Railroad). What the hell did either of these companies know about market refrigeration? Nothing. They were buying an investment on paper.Hussmann has been bought and sold more times than I can count. IC wanted to streamline things in much the same way that IR seems to want to do now. Yes the economic world was differant then. They made sweeping changes in the way us mechanics were allowed to do our jobs, and there were rumors everywhere that we were on the verge of going non-union. Fearing the worst I got out in 1984 and went to work for another local market shop with a great reputation. Long story short, 20 years later Hussmann is still hear in the SF area, and they are still union. There is some hope, but nothing remains the same, it is ever changeing.

    Sorry for rambling on so long.

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    Well as far as the 12 to 1230 lunch thats a crock, yes we do have to take lunch but theres no set time we have to take it. That would be up to each individual branch to determine as to when/how to do that. Theres alot of times i dont take lunch, till 300 or so, if i do at all.
    As far as cutting wages...i dont know where that comes from, but were not getting our wages cut, if anything it has improved for all the guys.
    If you cant find the time to do it right the first time, then you wont find the time the second time around....

  12. #51
    The wage cut can not be blamed on IR. That started about 8 years ago when Hussmann (here in the SF area) started negotiating wage packages outside of the collective barganing group. They negotiated their own "total package" price that was to hold for all of the locals in the greater bay area(5 in total) All the locals complied except local 38 San Francisco.The effect the first year was that some local got a small take home wage increase, some had no change (my case), and some (in local 393) got a wage cut (about $3.85/hr). Their wage cut was subsidized by the local for the first year. Afetr the first year, it was gone. As wage negotiations continued from year to year Hussmann kept up their seperate negotiations and continued to either hold wages fixed or force them down. Several years ago they were successful in changing the tactic where by they negotiated directly with the UA, thereby setting up a national matrix for all union wage earners working markets. The rest of the market companies were not obligated to pay their people by the Hussmann aggreement, but they also were not forbidden to abide by it either.....so in an attempt to remain competative with Hussmann, all of the other market contractors adopted the lower wage scale for the market people. I left the market company that I was working for in 2000 and shifted directions into HVAC. Not because I hated markets or was not making good money, but I got to a point that the hours and the physical side of markets was taking it's toll on me. By making that change I got a substantial pay raise. Soley because I was not doing markets. If you have been with Hussmann for only a couple of years you have not seen these changes. I have been in the trade since 1973 and have seen lots of changes, some good some bad.

  13. #52
    Originally posted by bowman
    Well as far as the 12 to 1230 lunch thats a crock, yes we do have to take lunch but theres no set time we have to take it. That would be up to each individual branch to determine as to when/how to do that. Theres alot of times i dont take lunch, till 300 or so, if i do at all.
    As far as cutting wages...i dont know where that comes from, but were not getting our wages cut, if anything it has improved for all the guys.
    In most states there are laws that govern things like when you are supposed to get breaks and how many hours you work before you are supposed to take a lunch etc. If you are covered under a union agreement, same holds true. Hussmann is forcing the mechanics to abide by the minimum standards and in so doing so protecting themselves against suit.

    I do not aggree with the tactic, but understand it.

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