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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    But life is not simple. Even socialistic societies do not try to make everyone totally equal. Different people have different capabilities.
    Ok Printer, we live in a socialistic society today. Where a true socialist society would be where everyone is, pretty much, equal.'
    We, however, live in a socialistic ( liken unto socialism ) society, where we still take from those who have & GIVE it to those who have not.

    I hope that you do realize that the original post is quite true & everyone knows this, if the ones who 'have' were giving so much that the ones that 'have not' end up with the SAME equal share, then the ones who 'have' ( the working ones ) would have absolutely no incentive to work.
    So we live in a society where our rulers ( gov ) knows that there is a limit to what we, workers, will give & still work....but they continue to stretch the 'point-of-no-return' until someday, we will say ENOUGH & revolt ( in some way or another ).


    On the flip side why does it seem those that are so against any form of social responsibility can only see things as an all or nothing situation?
    Because thats where we ( the government we install ) keeps leading us...
    Printer heres my belief: If we lived in the right kind of society, then we WOULD take care of the poor & needy, but guess what, we would also do what was needed to REDUCE the amount of those people who are poor & needy. ( education, providing jobs, etc - which we could do if the amount of poor people was low enough ). But instead, we don't do much to get people to a higher level to be self-sufficient, we just keep letting the poor have more children & more children, until we end up with more & more poor & needy.
    IOW: we don't take care of the problem, we just throw money at them & HOPE they'll go away ( in a sense ).
    When the US starts reducing the poor population & providing the means to keep the numbers of poor & needy limited, then I will support the effort, but until then....leave me & my paycheck alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frostie View Post
    Wait your the guy who doesn't want to install VS equipment.....because of a socialist attitude in that you do what's best for the community(customers) and not worry about padding your bottom line. Survival of the fittest out there, do what you have to and start stepping on heads.
    Frostie,
    Your full of ****. I am an honest person who DOES NOT take advantage of my customers, but treats them ALL ( rich or poor ) alike. I make a living, not a killing off of my customers. I have all I need & most, by far, of what I want & my customers have provided it for me....I WILL NOT take advantage of them.
    I treat people as I want to BE treated ( at least at first, then I treat them as they DO treat me ).
    Though we are animals, the survival of the fittest is NOT the way decent folks live....it may work for you, but not for me....
    & by the way, I just installed 2 VS systems for a customer...charged them the same price ( profit wise ) that I charge for any system the same size. I DO NOT MARK UP MY EQUIPMENT on installs. They got the IAQ thermostats at my cost with NO additional labor added ( it was thrown in ) & they got a case of pleated filters at MY cost. I also built filter racks for both units without additional cost. I made the same money as any other same size system I install even though it took me about 2 hours each more labor time.
    These were not poor customers, but I do what I believe in, not what others do.....so you can just KISS MY ***.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bornriding View Post
    Frostie,
    Your full of ****. I am an honest person who DOES NOT take advantage of my customers, but treats them ALL ( rich or poor ) alike. I make a living, not a killing off of my customers. I have all I need & most, by far, of what I want & my customers have provided it for me....I WILL NOT take advantage of them.
    I treat people as I want to BE treated ( at least at first, then I treat them as they DO treat me ).
    Though we are animals, the survival of the fittest is NOT the way decent folks live....it may work for you, but not for me....
    & by the way, I just installed 2 VS systems for a customer...charged them the same price ( profit wise ) that I charge for any system the same size. I DO NOT MARK UP MY EQUIPMENT on installs. They got the IAQ thermostats at my cost with NO additional labor added ( it was thrown in ) & they got a case of pleated filters at MY cost. I also built filter racks for both units without additional cost. I made the same money as any other same size system I install even though it took me about 2 hours each more labor time.
    These were not poor customers, but I do what I believe in, not what others do.....so you can just KISS MY ***.

    Richard
    Your the one *****ing and complaining you have to work 2 jobs. If you weren't giving these bums(your customers) handouts and expect them to pay for this extra stuff you could make a decent living with one job.

    "I have all I need & most, by far, of what I want & my customers have provided it for me...." Sounds like your a sucker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frostie View Post
    Your the one *****ing and complaining you have to work 2 jobs. If you weren't giving these bums(your customers) handouts and expect them to pay for this extra stuff you could make a decent living with one job.
    I'm not bellyaching ( the other word got edited, I guess ) about haveing 2 jobs. I just state the FACT that I have 2 jobs. My 'main' job now is teaching, something I've always wanted to do..the opportunity came & I took it, though I wasn't quite ready to retire my business...So, I've cut back somewhat on my business because of the 2nd job..my COMPLAINTS are about the gov sucking me dry, where even with 2 jobs, I still can't get rich...

    "I have all I need & most, by far, of what I want & my customers have provided it for me...." Sounds like your a sucker.
    I am a sucker, if thats what you want to call it, and I am PROUD of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bornriding View Post
    Because thats where we ( the government we install ) keeps leading us...
    Printer heres my belief: If we lived in the right kind of society, then we WOULD take care of the poor & needy, but guess what, we would also do what was needed to REDUCE the amount of those people who are poor & needy. ( education, providing jobs, etc - which we could do if the amount of poor people was low enough ). But instead, we don't do much to get people to a higher level to be self-sufficient, we just keep letting the poor have more children & more children, until we end up with more & more poor & needy.
    IOW: we don't take care of the problem, we just throw money at them & HOPE they'll go away ( in a sense ).
    When the US starts reducing the poor population & providing the means to keep the numbers of poor & needy limited, then I will support the effort, but until then....leave me & my paycheck alone.

    Richard
    You original post would be quite true, if it were indeed true.

    But as even in the most communistic of countries people were allowed to rise to the top, even if it were only for political purposes, the ones that were better at watching where the wind blew ended up with more.

    As it stands we both have societies where the sky is the limit for either of us. Do you want to be the next Bill Gates? Go right ahead. The founder of Cirque du Soleil was a Canadian street performer who is now worth over a billion dollars.

    You are right we have to get our people educated. It is the best way for people to have a better life. I seem to remember reading that is one of Obama's goals to increase the education of those on the bottom.

    Since the downturn my local government is reducing funding to all the departments except Education and Health. Two things most people feel is important to the future health of society.

    When the US starts reducing the poor population & providing the means to keep the numbers of poor & needy limited, then I will support the effort
    And how do you suggest the US starts to reduce the number of poor people? If you have some bright ideas I am sure there would be a politician or two that would jump on it. It would look good on their resume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frostie View Post
    You are aware of the Constitution of the United States of America?

    A lot more than you and not only that I believe in it unlike the liberals, socialist and commies in the Democratic party. Thank you, thank you very much
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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    And how do you suggest the US starts to reduce the number of poor people? If you have some bright ideas I am sure there would be a politician or two that would jump on it. It would look good on their resume.
    Simple: By NOT paying for additional children born to people on welfare. Not giving credits to people who have children....If you are on welfare, then you can't even support yourself, much less 'children'. This one policy alone has caused a MASSIVE increase in the numbers of people on welfare. They have been having children for decades, simply because THEY GET MORE WELFARE...
    30+ years ago, I HEARD a lady state that that was why she was pregnant, she got ( at the time ) $50 more dollars a month. This came out of her mouth & into my ear. ( she stated this when asked by my friends ( black ) mother whay she was having another baby that she couldn't afford....My friends family was poor, but they worked & weren't on welfare.
    Its one way to start..there are many more...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bornriding View Post
    Simple: By NOT paying for additional children born to people on welfare. Not giving credits to people who have children....If you are on welfare, then you can't even support yourself, much less 'children'. This one policy alone has caused a MASSIVE increase in the numbers of people on welfare. They have been having children for decades, simply because THEY GET MORE WELFARE...
    30+ years ago, I HEARD a lady state that that was why she was pregnant, she got ( at the time ) $50 more dollars a month. This came out of her mouth & into my ear. ( she stated this when asked by my friends ( black ) mother whay she was having another baby that she couldn't afford....My friends family was poor, but they worked & weren't on welfare.
    Its one way to start..there are many more...

    Richard
    My wife, who used to work in the Attorney General's office of TX in the paternity section, nearly got fired for a comment she made to a welfare mother. The scenario was this:

    Pregnant Welfare mom with 5 kids to 5 different fathers complaining to my wife that they (the State of TX) needs to find future father number 6 and make him pay support because she is having trouble making her rent and car payment. Wife suggested that she may want to stop having kids if she was having problems paying bills. Welfare mom started screaming that it is her "right" to have as many kids as she wants. Welfare mom goes to Austin, files a complaint and wife is reprimanded and nearly loses her job. Thanks to our system of enabling these people to pop kids out one after another, TX probably has at least 6 more Democrat voters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texas cooler View Post
    My wife, who used to work in the Attorney General's office of TX in the paternity section, nearly got fired for a comment she made to a welfare mother. The scenario was this:

    Pregnant Welfare mom with 5 kids to 5 different fathers complaining to my wife that they (the State of TX) needs to find future father number 6 and make him pay support because she is having trouble making her rent and car payment. Wife suggested that she may want to stop having kids if she was having problems paying bills. Welfare mom started screaming that it is her "right" to have as many kids as she wants. Welfare mom goes to Austin, files a complaint and wife is reprimanded and nearly loses her job. Thanks to our system of enabling these people to pop kids out one after another, TX probably has at least 6 more Democrat voters.
    thats the goal cooler, a permanent underclass dependent on the government, supported by those who profit from their labor. plain and simple. for all those debating socialism and communism, from a libertarian point of view, the true political spectrum is statist on the left and libertarian on the right. communists are true statists in that they don't allow private ownership. the government owns everything. socialism allows some private ownership, but taxes profits for redistribution to those who can't or won't provide for themselves. liberal and conservative are in the middle and have become irrelevant in resolving the problem of "progressive" socialism. conservatives still like huge government, they just like it in the form of law enforcement, societal regulation,defense, and business bailouts. libertarians believe in less government, more freedom, and less taxes. in fact we are for abolishing income taxes and the i.r.s. if the 47% of people who don't pay any taxes, but have the same vote as the 53% who do pay taxes, then you can see why the tax system is flawed and unfair. not to mention the 16th amendment instituted by "progressives" is the bottomless hog trough for all these entitlement programs. no income tax, no socialism. get it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bornriding View Post
    Simple: By NOT paying for additional children born to people on welfare. Not giving credits to people who have children....If you are on welfare, then you can't even support yourself, much less 'children'. This one policy alone has caused a MASSIVE increase in the numbers of people on welfare. They have been having children for decades, simply because THEY GET MORE WELFARE...
    30+ years ago, I HEARD a lady state that that was why she was pregnant, she got ( at the time ) $50 more dollars a month. This came out of her mouth & into my ear. ( she stated this when asked by my friends ( black ) mother whay she was having another baby that she couldn't afford....My friends family was poor, but they worked & weren't on welfare.
    Its one way to start..there are many more...

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    I say amen to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texas cooler View Post
    My wife, who used to work in the Attorney General's office of TX in the paternity section, nearly got fired for a comment she made to a welfare mother. The scenario was this:

    Welfare mom goes to Austin, files a complaint and wife is reprimanded and nearly loses her job. Thanks to our system of enabling these people to pop kids out one after another, TX probably has at least 6 more Democrat voters.
    Only in America

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    Quote Originally Posted by bornriding View Post
    Simple: 30+ years ago, I HEARD a lady state that that was why she was pregnant, she got ( at the time ) $50 more dollars a month.
    30 years ago welfare abuse was existing in the USA and is continuing to exist till now.
    I can not say that this is an example of social economics since there is no other country where having children with multiple non supporting fathers is rewarded by the government.
    Why there was no criticism of this abuse before Obama came to the picture?
    It is been going on through republican and democratic watch alike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sigma View Post
    30 years ago welfare abuse was existing in the USA and is continuing to exist till now.
    I can not say that this is an example of social economics since there is no other country where having children with multiple non supporting fathers is rewarded by the government.
    Why there was no criticism of this abuse before Obama came to the picture?
    It is been going on through republican and democratic watch alike.
    This have been going on for a very long time. I have not been a member of this site for long. Have these same posters been complaining about this the whole time or since Nobama came along? A truth...we are all guilty of the current problems one way or another.

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