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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    Maybe even both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    What in my post does scripture dispute?

    Just so you understand what I am trying to put across, I do not believe in communication with the dead through spiritual means. What I am saying is that our memories of the deceased can certainly seem like they are contacting us when it is really our minds eye reflecting on the memories of the deceased.
    AH! Glad you cleared that up. Personal experience and relationships are just 2 things mentioned in Scripture as being how we learn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    I don't see what this; ...has to do with what we are discussing.
    Read post #24.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bootlen View Post
    AH! Glad you cleared that up. Personal experience and relationships are just 2 things mentioned in Scripture as being how we learn.
    I had a feeling that I hadn't made myself clear on that commentary.

    I just think it is important to not dismiss the theological beliefs of others but rather to allow others to see that what they have experienced is real, just not quite what they think it was.

    My dad and I were very close. Since he died a few years ago, he has visited me many times. I can hear him clearly, feel his presence and see his image in my mind. Of course he is not really physically there, but my memories of him sure make it seem real enough for me to become quite emotional over experiencing his presence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    Read post #24.
    OK. I still don't see it. Printer is absolutely correct. It is the man made methods of how to worship God that causes all of the problems. It is the "one sandal" syndrome that allows evil to have all who believe in God to turn on one another over what color Jesus's eyes were or whether God has a beard or not. Most of the things we fight over are not provable, but rather our conjecture from reading into scripture what is really not even there.

    Holidays such as Easter and Christmas are prime examples of injecting into the Christian story what is not really there. Sunday as the sabbath is another one that can only be explained away by interjecting made up data into scripture.

    I believe that through the Hebrews, God has got the point across that there is but one God who can manifest into at least three seperate but same entities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    OK. I still don't see it. .
    Well, if you don't uderstand that there is "no other name," not Buddah, not Allah, not Krishna....well, I have done my best to explain it to you.

    The evil you shoiuld be concerened about is ecumenicalism, where we are erroneously taught that all roads lead to God. That is Biblically incorrect. It is a lie from Satan.

    Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man comes to the Father except through Me."

    I don't see how he could have been any more clear than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Holidays such as Easter and Christmas are prime examples of injecting into the Christian story what is not really there. Sunday as the sabbath is another one that can only be explained away by interjecting made up data into scripture.
    Holidays such as Christmas and Easter have two functions. First, they are celebrations of the two most important events in the Bible, after creation and before the Millennial Kingdom: the coming of the Savior, and His finished work on the Cross.

    Secondly, existing holidays needed to be "overwritten," as when we reformat a hard drive and depolarize the magnetic molecules so the old data no longer exists. Onto this reformatted calendar, we wrote in celebrations of the living God, erasing the pagan celebrations in the process.

    The change in the sabbath requires no calculation. If is the celebration of the victory over Death, and the gift of eternal Life, at the inspiration of the Holy Spirit that Christ breathed into the Apostles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    Well, if you don't uderstand that there is "no other name," not Buddah, not Allah, not Krishna....well, I have done my best to explain it to you.

    The evil you shoiuld be concerened about is ecumenicalism, where we are erroneously taught that all roads lead to God. That is Biblically incorrect. It is a lie from Satan.

    Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man comes to the Father except through Me."

    I don't see how he could have been any more clear than that.
    Neither The Buddha or Krishna claim to be God, just the opposite actually. I agree that Allah is most likely Satan or one of Satan's demons. I don't believe any other major religion other then Islam has a singular diety that parallels God the Father, God of Abraham.

    We should not through out the faith of others because of their misunderstanding of what their faith is. A rose by any other name still smells as sweet. Why should we be crushing the roses of others just because they don't call it a rose? Why should we destroy the faith of others because they do not understand that God the Father is who they have been worshipping all along, just misunderstanding the being of God the Father?
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    Holidays such as Christmas and Easter have two functions. First, they are celebrations of the two most important events in the Bible, after creation and before the Millennial Kingdom: the coming of the Savior, and His finished work on the Cross.

    Secondly, existing holidays needed to be "overwritten," as when we reformat a hard drive and depolarize the magnetic molecules so the old data no longer exists. Onto this reformatted calendar, we wrote in celebrations of the living God, erasing the pagan celebrations in the process.

    The change in the sabbath requires no calculation. If is the celebration of the victory over Death, and the gift of eternal Life, at the inspiration of the Holy Spirit that Christ breathed into the Apostles.
    Sounds like a lot of hoodoo justification for you to believe what you want to believe rather then for you to denounce the Pagan atitudes of most Religious corporations. I thought better of you in this regard.
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    Robo, even Pagans had holy books that they read from, i.e. The Book of the Dead from Egyptian practice. So to completely rid Christianity of pagan rituals reading the Bible would have to stop.

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    Robo I consider that a cop out not celebrating Christmas or Easter because you are worried about them being also "pagan" holidays. What gives pagans to right to preempt days during the year that only they can celebrate?

    I say to heck with them and their holidays. We celebrate our holy days and if they coincide well who gives a flip. I sure don't and I'm not worried about how they got selected. To late now to change them. Just go with the flow. You won't get ran over so much that way. That is unless you just enjoy attacking windmills. Thank you, thank you very much
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    Quote Originally Posted by acmanko View Post
    Robo, even Pagans had holy books that they read from, i.e. The Book of the Dead from Egyptian practice. So to completely rid Christianity of pagan rituals reading the Bible would have to stop.
    I don't understand. While I do use the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament as my core books of scripture and do believe that while we don't fully understand the intent of the passages of scripture completely, I don't just dispose of other scriptural writings. Not only is there a lot of similar information in older scriptures of Pagan organazations, adding more validity to the fact that scriptures are from God or Satan, studying ancient Pagan scriptures and comparing them to Biblical scriptures can actually show us how much we are all talking about the same thing being thought of from different points of view.

    I cannot believe that God has not communicated with all of God's Creations in man over the span of mankind's existance. There is a reason that God made the man and woman who spawned the Hebrew tribes seperately from all of the rest of mankind. In Jesus Christ, God has brought all of mankind back together and has made us all equal in His proverbial eyes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    I don't understand. While I do use the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament as my core books of scripture and do believe that while we don't fully understand the intent of the passages of scripture completely, I don't just dispose of other scriptural writings. Not only is there a lot of similar information in older scriptures of Pagan organazations, adding more validity to the fact that scriptures are from God or Satan, studying ancient Pagan scriptures and comparing them to Biblical scriptures can actually show us how much we are all talking about the same thing being thought of from different points of view.

    I cannot believe that God has not communicated with all of God's Creations in man over the span of mankind's existance. There is a reason that God made the man and woman who spawned the Hebrew tribes seperately from all of the rest of mankind. In Jesus Christ, God has brought all of mankind back together and has made us all equal in His proverbial eyes.
    Well , you cannot disallow one pagan ritual and advocate another. Reading books, even congregating for service are rituals pagans practiced. Some even wandered off by themself and had religious experiences

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