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    Quote Originally Posted by bootlen View Post
    Nah, they don't. They're dead. And if they are speaking to you, you got other problems.
    The voices in my head tend to agree, just sayin'
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Deceased ancestors exist very well in our memories. So, why would the teachings and wisdoms of our ancestors not come to us in time of need, even if only in our minds eye? This one is an easy one to understand as being misconstrued as being visited by spirits of the dead. In a way, our memories of the dead are their spiritual essence.

    Why do we feel the need to dwell on what we want to believe are incorrect beliefs of others rather then look at how our beliefs are actually the same, just from different vantage points?
    Scripture says different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tool-Slinger View Post
    The voices in my head tend to agree, just sayin'
    It's not so much whether they agree as it is what they agree with.
    No reserve. No retreat. No regrets.

    For those who have fought for it, freedom has a sweetness the protected will never know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Lockhart View Post
    Contempt prior to investigation is self fulfilling prophecy Art.....and I think your pendulum of philosophy just might have hit the opposite extreme in the swing....
    Ruled by fear you are buddy....
    Don't change a thing Art...you're perfect.......
    I investigated FIRST, Doug.

    In fact, for over seven years, I hosted a radio show on guess what?

    New Age Awareness. I taught meditation.

    I now have less fear for myself than at any time in my life. I DO have fear for my nation and the unsaved folks who will not have eternal life.

    I can never be perfect. Just acceptable, by the finished work on the Cross. I don't deserve it.

    By the way, could you send an answer to the PM I sent you, responding to yours? Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bootlen View Post
    Scripture says different.
    Correct.

    Acts 4:12 says this:

    12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

    (emphasis added)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bootlen View Post
    Nah, they don't. They're dead. And if they are speaking to you, you got other problems.
    Oh they are not all dead. You do have some scattered around and we have a fair amount left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    If you are referring to indigenous tribal peoples, not really. While the tribal peoples of the North American continent revered multiple spiritual entities, they also held to a singular God overall. North American tribal beliefs are closer to ancient Hebrew beliefs then not.

    Besides, it makes no difference what God has been referred to by different cultures over the time span of man around the four corners (figuratively speaking) of the world, the Creator is the same no matter how we as mere mortals think of God.

    Take all of the good gods of Pagan myth, put them together and you have God the Creator....the God of Abraham. Same goes for the bad gods being what Judeo-Christian scriptures relate as the singular Satan.

    God has never been different or ever changed. It is man's many perceptions of God that causes the confusions.
    I agree there is one God. It just seems people can not wrap their heads around the idea multiple religions can worship the same entity.

    Or maybe it is just the method of worship they have a problem with. One says 'Step, step, jump, step.' while the other says 'Step, step, step, jump.'

    Enough reason to fight wars over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    I agree there is one God. It just seems people can not wrap their heads around the idea multiple religions can worship the same entity.

    Or maybe it is just the method of worship they have a problem with. One says 'Step, step, jump, step.' while the other says 'Step, step, step, jump.'

    Enough reason to fight wars over.
    I think the bible says God made man in his image,... but sometimes I think man makes God in his image to serve a selfish purpose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tool-Slinger View Post
    I think the bible says God made man in his image,... but sometimes I think man makes God in his image to serve a selfish purpose.
    Maybe even both.

    I just love the chicken - egg question.

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    I'm with Robo on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    I agree there is one God. It just seems people can not wrap their heads around the idea multiple religions can worship the same entity.

    Or maybe it is just the method of worship they have a problem with. One says 'Step, step, jump, step.' while the other says 'Step, step, step, jump.'

    Enough reason to fight wars over.

    No need to fight a war when you have Acts 4:12. That says it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bootlen View Post
    Scripture says different.
    What in my post does scripture dispute?

    Just so you understand what I am trying to put across, I do not believe in communication with the dead through spiritual means. What I am saying is that our memories of the deceased can certainly seem like they are contacting us when it is really our minds eye reflecting on the memories of the deceased.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    No need to fight a war when you have Acts 4:12. That says it all.
    I don't see what this;
    Acts 4:12 (New International Version)

    12Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."
    ...has to do with what we are discussing.

    Seeing that Jesus Christ is God the Father and the Holy Spirit, it is our spiritual nature that is being discussed in Acts 4:12 and not our mortal existance. So, no matter what Jesus Christ or God the Father are referred to by mortal man, once our mortal hosts have died, we must spiritually go through Jesus Christ to be with God the Father, as they are one and the same.
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