08-11-2008, 05:13 PM
Not to take one side or another but; Why is the US workforce down to only 17% unionized and 11% of that is Government unions?
Is anyone happy with the performance of our Unionized Government workers?
Yes I DO agree that the benefits that we all enjoy today were won by the Unions against the "Robber Barons". I am very thankful for them.
No I don't agree I need to pay an unskilled Unionized worker $75K with a thirty-years-and-your-out retirement to mount the tires on my new car [being built].
I also have seen "surplus" Unionized workers at a Local GM parts distribution center being warehoused at full pay playing cards/watching TV each day.
I also see plenty of extremely hardworking Friends at the Construction Locals here paying out their wages to corrupt Autoworkers and Government unions who hardly work at all. Instead of being part of the Brotherhood they are more like Leeches to their Union Brothers.
Just my observations....
08-11-2008, 06:30 PM
yeah, the ladies always want to keep tabs on the mulla!
Originally Posted by Coolmaniac
08-11-2008, 07:52 PM
y cant u ask ur husband about his earnings?
08-13-2008, 07:30 PM
Local 189 Columbus Ohio...
$30/hr in your pocket.
08-15-2008, 11:04 AM
Voice of reason
Glad to from hear a voice of reason. The weekly paycheck is not the whole standard except for perhaps the younger members. Union or non the weekly paychecks can and frequently do match or exceed each other regardless of the affiliation. As a non union tradesman with 35 years in the trade my weekly check is well over my union counterparts (in this market) but the union does have the benefit of the long term health care, yes that is a very large issue to take into account. Not that I'm saying I'm screwed in my retirement, it just means that I have to plan for my healthcare in retirement after all sooner or later the kids are going to have to drag my sorry old butt out of the basement and to a doctor, can't have them paying for that too.
Originally Posted by Pneuma
For the record, UA in the Washington D.C. area has one of THE BEST training programs anywhere! Coming from that region of the country originally I do wish that the UA had a presence in the area that I came from, I would have gone union had they been there.
Don't let your ego get in the way of a good decision
08-15-2008, 02:30 PM
mdp thank's for thr kudos
Thanks mdp. You know it was an one old guy with leathery face and you could tell was just tired, talking about his wife and her medical needs and how if not for that he would not be working and how much he liked the non union shop he worked for for so many years but now he sees why he should have gone union. I really felt for the guy. I've heard it more than that once but I'll never forget that dude.
I agree our training facility is pretty drn good, I'm proud to have graduated from there and they've made it a lot better since then!
08-15-2008, 02:51 PM
I hope that your retirement/healthcare is there when you need it. Our IBEW local here had the National leadership invest their pension funds in a now-defunct LV casino.
They were very bitter and felt powerless in what had happened.
I personally like managing my own retirement/healthcare instead of handing it off to someone who might not have my interest "at heart".
08-15-2008, 03:14 PM
I hear you in that regard, fraud can and will happen whenever you have people involved. But in reality, do mutual fund companies and health care companies really have your interest at heart? I'd say there is a lot more risk that a health care company is going to try and screw a self insured geezer as soon as he starts costing too much as there is for some schmcuk to screw the union health care fund. It's all somewhat a crap shoot!
Originally Posted by JRINJAX
Anyway I was really just pointing out that many people don't bring that up in the union/nonunion debate and I think it's a key difference. Health care for when you retire is a key thing to be planing for, whatever you do for a living.
08-15-2008, 07:14 PM
the info should be online somewhere...
Originally Posted by ali10
i found this for Colorado but its for 2004... so adjust accordingly...