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  1. #92
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    mike diamond ad states $55+

    Last week mike diamond ran an ad in the Los Angeles Times,
    advertising $55+ per hr for techs. Couldn't figure how they could do that, until I read these posts.

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    pay scale and non union

    Sure maybe there are people out there who think they would rather work non-union. Maybe they actually believe they make more money as well. But these people are foolish and completely wrong. First of all lets thank the unions for bringing you things like your WEEKEND, a lunch break, overtime, pensions, benefits higher wage scales whether you are in a union or not. Just a few examples there. If you think you make more than a union worker you are dead wrong. I was at 100 k in JUNE and i Have the pay stubs to prove it. Thats just my envelope, without benefits. I also have a pension as well as a 401k plan(two pensions people). I have full medical coverage $10 co-pay and $35 dollar co-pay for emergency room. In addittion to vision and dental coverage. For me and my entire family until my kids are in there twenties. As far as me and my wife we cover our retirees for the rest of there lives. I have a benefit fund that matches my salary when i am unemployed as well as pays my unpaid mortgage payments. I get two vacation checks a year tax free usually between 5k and 10k each depending on hours worked. Any overtime I work is double not just in the envelope but in the benefits as well. So i guess you can say I actually make around 250k a year when you ad it all up. If the contractor wasnt making money off of my back he wouldn't be paying me that salary, understand? Oh by the way we have no hiring hall so you get hired on your name in my local in NY. So i guess there goes your theory about us doing nothing. If i did nothing I wouldn,t be working. By the way I just graduated the apprenticeship program 2 yrs ago. So keep thinking you make more than me doing non-union work. the only one getting rich is your boss off of your back. Do the math you dont have to be a genius to figure it out. By the way i went to college for 4 yrs and i make more money doing construction than the jobs that were out there for college grads. If you would rather be taken advantage of feel free by all means.

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    pay scale

    Quote Originally Posted by ali10 View Post
    My soon to be husband does commercial Hvac in the metro-Denver area. He is a licienced journeyman for the past 3 yrs, and completed his 5 yr apprenticeship previous to that, for a total of 8yrs experience. What is the typical hourly pay range he should be recieving? thanks
    union or non union????????........Jack

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    Look at the post date, they're probably divorced by now.

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    HEY ENZOROCK beinging raised in a ITALIAN in brooklyn with uncles in local#3 and the rest of the family with a differant local # UNIONS HAVE OUT GROWN THEIR USEFULLNESS . And by the way I bet your B.A make twice as much as you do for doing less work than you and dosn't have to be productive like you so make sure you show up monday for work your B.A needs his job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enzorock View Post
    Sure maybe there are people out there who think they would rather work non-union. Maybe they actually believe they make more money as well. But these people are foolish and completely wrong. First of all lets thank the unions for bringing you things like your WEEKEND, a lunch break, overtime, pensions, benefits higher wage scales whether you are in a union or not. Just a few examples there. If you think you make more than a union worker you are dead wrong. I was at 100 k in JUNE and i Have the pay stubs to prove it. Thats just my envelope, without benefits. I also have a pension as well as a 401k plan(two pensions people). I have full medical coverage $10 co-pay and $35 dollar co-pay for emergency room. In addittion to vision and dental coverage. For me and my entire family until my kids are in there twenties. As far as me and my wife we cover our retirees for the rest of there lives. I have a benefit fund that matches my salary when i am unemployed as well as pays my unpaid mortgage payments. I get two vacation checks a year tax free usually between 5k and 10k each depending on hours worked. Any overtime I work is double not just in the envelope but in the benefits as well. So i guess you can say I actually make around 250k a year when you ad it all up. If the contractor wasnt making money off of my back he wouldn't be paying me that salary, understand? Oh by the way we have no hiring hall so you get hired on your name in my local in NY. So i guess there goes your theory about us doing nothing. If i did nothing I wouldn,t be working. By the way I just graduated the apprenticeship program 2 yrs ago. So keep thinking you make more than me doing non-union work. the only one getting rich is your boss off of your back. Do the math you dont have to be a genius to figure it out. By the way i went to college for 4 yrs and i make more money doing construction than the jobs that were out there for college grads. If you would rather be taken advantage of feel free by all means.
    That is one hell of a package. If the average worker does 2080 hours per year... and you were at 100k in June... that puts you at about $96.00 per hour. Unless, of course, you work a crapload of OT. Union J-men start at $29.76 per hour here in the Plumbers/S-Fitters local. Sheetmetal local is a little less. Good service techs usually pull in about $35.00-$50.00 with chiller guys being in high demand. The guys who want to work and are at the top of their game make the good money. I'm not sure what the Union correlation is to the holidays and vacation because our local does not offer either. It is up to the employer and employee to hash that out. Again, the guys in demand can usually name what they want and get it. I don't know what your cost of living is but $200,000 per year on the check is fantastic. You have to be one of the best in order to get that kind of cash. Something tells me you could succeed even if you didn't have your union. Union training is second to none and the bennies are great. You sound like you have it made in the shade. I don't think it works that way for everyone in the union. My brother is a union carpenter, my uncle is a union electrician, my brother in law is a union fitter and I out earn all of them. I work an average of 50 hrs per week. I get 3 weeks paid vacation and decent insurance.(Nothing like yours) Thank God my wife carries great insurance for her and the kids. I do have a 401k but its not great. My wife and I invest ourselves and I think we are going to be OK. Sounds like you have a wonderful job but don't think its like that for everyone who is union.

    As for your boss making money off your backs, do you think your BA is starving? Do you think whoever owns the company you work for is hurting? Trust me, when you are getting contracts to build hospitals, high rise office buildings, football stadiums etc....its a whole different ball of wax from the dude slappin furnaces in houses. It takes millions of dollars to even be considered for jobs like that. Thats how they can afford to pay you 200,000 per year. Do you think they could afford to pay you that doing residential work? Your boss is getting stinkin filthy rich off your labor and you are getting a bone. It just happens to be alot larger that the average Joe.
    How can unions afford to throw billions of dollars at Democrats every year? Because they are LOADED!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ali10 View Post
    My soon to be husband does commercial Hvac in the metro-Denver area. He is a licienced journeyman for the past 3 yrs, and completed his 5 yr apprenticeship previous to that, for a total of 8yrs experience. What is the typical hourly pay range he should be recieving? thanks
    go to arca web site and check... you should have a link to it on his locals site.

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    Last week mike diamond ran an ad in the Los Angeles Times,
    advertising $55+ per hr for techs. Couldn't figure how they could do that, until I read these posts.
    Thought I'd offer a little info and an update since 2004' on these bandits. Maybe I shouldn't say that since this is a capitalist economy, and if you can talk someone into paying $700. to replace a 90 in their water line, or walk up to a unit, kick it, say you need a new one, and still sleep at night, thats the way it is. Or so I was told.

    Diamond and brazil are basically the same company, or might as well be. Diamond bought into or bought accounts from brazil. Use the same style trucks, and likely the same style tricks. I cannot say for certain, but my understanding of the operation goes like this:

    All commission pay, you buy the stock on the truck from the co., you sell it for whatever you can get away with and pocket the difference. Don't know how or if their hourly works. Might be a keep whatever you can get above $xxx. flat fee or quote. And that they prefer replacement to repair, regardless of the problem.

    They had been operating in LA since its beginning, and only started working Orange county more around 1995. Started getting bigger for a short time, then started shrinking possibly due to OC residents higher financial savvy. Took a major hit when george B croaked a while back and his two sons started fighting over his assets, leaving the company to run itself. (Or fighting over the company and getting nothing done) Either way, their trucks are rarely seen by me anymore, when it used to be once or twice a day. With the occasional Diamond mobile spotted about half as often as before, which wasn't that much to begin with.

    However Diamonds latest radio spot might convince folks they're not gonna get ripped off cause, “Our techs will never come to your home smelling bad” or something like that. Must not know if somebody says you stink, they don't necessarily mean BO. Don't know why cause I never had a complaint made about me, due to working up a dirty sweat on a customers behalf.

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    Hi, ON_CALL actually i make more than my buissness agents and with the current boom in nyc alot of steamfitters make more than our b.a's. As far as local 3, you are right they went from first to worst in a hurry. The primal reason that a union like them can do an about face is good old american greed. They went away from their core. First off their union gave out(sold) too many books. They currently have 16,000 members thats is why they must go on furlo every year. Most leckys are out of work half the year. The local now is the complete opposite of what one of organized labor's greatest leaders envisioned when he was president of local 3 Harry Van Arsdale. Mr. Van Arsdale lived his life on the ideal of unionism. He actually cut his own pension in half after he retired. He didn't think he deserved to make as much money ritered as a working man did, he actually died broke. Local 3 now thinks like a buissness instead of a union. They look to make profits on real estate and other ventures. They no longer think like a union. For the other poster we work 35 hrs a week in my local from 7am to 2 pm. Anything outside of those hrs is double. Saturday and sudays are a double and anything from 2pm to 7 am is double. If i have a nightshift instead of a day shift and i start at 2pm every single hour i work is double thats why we make so much money. My local is one of the most powerful and politically active in the entire country. They have not become useless as on-call seems to believe. I also work residential and recieve the same salary. You have to remember a 1 bedroom condo is 1 million dollars in the city so the money is there. As far as the contractor making money off of my back........ of course he is thats what i want. I want to be a profitable employee thats what a good union man wants. The more money I make for him the more money I can ask of him. We want the owners to make a profit, they wouldnt be in buissness if they didnt. Just as a group, as a union you can demand a larger cut of the pie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enzorock View Post
    Hi, ON_CALL actually i make more than my buissness agents and with the current boom in nyc alot of steamfitters make more than our b.a's. As far as local 3, you are right they went from first to worst in a hurry. The primal reason that a union like them can do an about face is good old american greed. They went away from their core. First off their union gave out(sold) too many books. They currently have 16,000 members thats is why they must go on furlo every year. Most leckys are out of work half the year. The local now is the complete opposite of what one of organized labor's greatest leaders envisioned when he was president of local 3 Harry Van Arsdale. Mr. Van Arsdale lived his life on the ideal of unionism. He actually cut his own pension in half after he retired. He didn't think he deserved to make as much money ritered as a working man did, he actually died broke. Local 3 now thinks like a buissness instead of a union. They look to make profits on real estate and other ventures. They no longer think like a union. For the other poster we work 35 hrs a week in my local from 7am to 2 pm. Anything outside of those hrs is double. Saturday and sudays are a double and anything from 2pm to 7 am is double. If i have a nightshift instead of a day shift and i start at 2pm every single hour i work is double thats why we make so much money. My local is one of the most powerful and politically active in the entire country. They have not become useless as on-call seems to believe. I also work residential and recieve the same salary. You have to remember a 1 bedroom condo is 1 million dollars in the city so the money is there. As far as the contractor making money off of my back........ of course he is thats what i want. I want to be a profitable employee thats what a good union man wants. The more money I make for him the more money I can ask of him. We want the owners to make a profit, they wouldnt be in buissness if they didnt. Just as a group, as a union you can demand a larger cut of the pie.
    Good for you enzo. try getting away with O/T for a nightshift in the b side, or anything else in our contract for that matter..... it really is sad that we have such a large sector of local 638, but the b guys cant come together to save their lives, whether its the meetings, night classes, voting, whatever.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolmaniac View Post
    Look at the post date, they're probably divorced by now.
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    I live in the middle of the country, let's call it a "right to work" state. I got toward the top of the light commercial game in a company that is publicly traded. I'd have to put my wife to work to keep working there, and they told me from day one that this region's standard of living was less than other places. I told him that he was kidding himself after (state and local)taxes.

    They tried to fill the room up with BS when confronted with the facts (paystub) of another friend of mine who joined the local. One phone call after that meeting and my mind was made up.

    Training for apprentices, training for journeymen, what more needs to be said?

    Oh yeah, a 14,000 a year raise just in hourly...

    PLUS a $500 a month raise because they pay for ALL health

    Are you doing the math? That's a $20,000 raise annually. And I get trained by professionals, not salesmen.
    OT after 8 , DT on Sundays. I told those scabs at my old job from day one that in commercial work they ought to be paying me DT on Sundays--that they ought to charge DT on Sundays. That and 75cents got me a copy of the USA Today.

    Where was I...???

    The union shops buy EVERY tool that they expect me to use, and I'm talking reasonably good stuff. Not Harbor Freight/Chinese pride or whatever. I own nearly every tool in HVAC already, so I know the cost. Now all those tools are cluttering up my office, but you can bet I'll take care of their tools because I know the cost. But I digress. And no more begging the employer to repair my tools when they break.

    The old open shops can house all the middle management that they want, and you "principled" folks can fatten the open shops' wallets and pay their greens fees. I have more than a few family folks whose jobs were protected by unions when RRs abolished their positions. So I look forward to paying into the protection of jobs, while getting trained by professionals to be the best .

    HAVE A NICE WEEKEND.
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    Young guys like to debate this union vs non in terms of how much money you make weekly. But ask a non union guy who is 55/60 years old and he will tell you something about how if he could get health care he would not be working for as long and how he wishes he would have gotten into the union because of healthcare and the costs of medicine. Retirement health care is probably the best bene union has over non union, but seldom ever brought up in the debate.

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