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  1. #66
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    I'm with Variable on that one, I had someone the other day tell me they went on the internet and figured out there problem, but they couldn't find anyone that would sell them a compressor. So they called me to BUY a 5 ton compressor, I said we don't sell them but I would give him a good deal on me replacing one if needed. I said I would have to check it out first to make sure we get the right size and to be sure it was the compressor before I bought one, he said you don't keep one on your truck? reluctantly he said ok, found the wires burned at the compressor, it was a 3 ton not a 5 ton repaired the wires and replaced the contactor, then he asked if I would put in a 5 ton compressor(not condenser) in so it would run colder. He learned about enough to get himself in trouble and that's all.

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    What does this have to do with the discussion on this particular thread.

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    responding to variable's statement, so really I guess you could say what does any of this thread have to do with the original post...........

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    Wink Union Extortionist

    ROTFLMAO @ union Extortionist. Proud to be a Union Extortionist. Hey! Wouldn't that make a great bumper sticker!
    Gil

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    I've worked around the country a bit as I've expanded my horizons over the years and worked in areas where the unions are strong and where they're non-existent. Along the way I've met hacks, slackers and techs that have made me feel down right stupid (I love hiring those guys, they make my company look good). One thing I've learned is that EVERY area is different. I like hearing of the areas where the unions are living up to thier members expectations. Unforunatelly I can tell you that there are some (just some not all) areas where the UA is still conducting business as usual. These guys are giving the rest of the good locals a bad rep. One shop I'm very familiar with actually voted themselves out of the UA due to some fiscal mismanagement in the union. The local that represents my techs only offers training in residential and light commercial, we're a commercial/industrial company. We dump a ton of money from our own pockets to keep our techs up to speed as the local won't, not enough techs in the local we're told. As I've said, it does vary across the country. Possibly one day I'll be moved to a city where the locals have thier act together and have the pleasure of once again working with first class techs.
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    Here you go. Here is the forumn for you to speak your mind. I would like to hear of the locals who curreently do not meet the intention of the membership. And I also want to know what "business as usual" means in your perspective?

    In addition. In your best guess. Where is it the best you have seen, and where has the worst you seen, and why as far as locals of the UA are concerned?

    A local specifically would help too. I want to really know. And I will myself along with all memebership here find out why that local aint meeeting the requirements of their membership.

    National, hell even international, you have the chance to speak directly of the entire picture as you see it. I want to know exactly whats on your mind.

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    Okay, so here we go, please keep in mind that I am only expressing my opinion and all opinions stink. By the term "business as usual" I'm refering to the stereotype of a trade union, I don't know your age but in the old days of my youth the unions had a bad image of corruption and deceipt. I'll be the first to nip this in the bud before someone flames me, the mass majority of the unions have long since gotten away from that image and are working extremely hard to look after thier rank and file. If the union of my day had the reputation and training programs when I started out I would now most probably be a union memeber looking at retirement. Such was not the case. Way too many people still have the idea in thier head that trade unions are corrupt and full of slacker and malcontents that couldn't make it in the world without the union to protect them. Reality check here, yes a union employee can be terminated from his/her position, there are procedures in place that can be followed, I myself have had to let go of employees that just didn't have what it took to be a part of my department. No different than any other segment of society you will always find someone trying to just get by or flat out lie to you, such is life.
    My experience only now, Washington D.C. UA always amazed me, top class knowledgable techs, I still hold them to be my standard by which I judge all others. Rock bottom in my book, Central Michigan, bad attitudes prevail. Probably a good training program but hard to tell due to the general attitudes, keep the stereotype alive. Middle of the road, Denver, good guys willing to work hard to get a job done, good training facility. As of last dealings of a while ago, Southern Colorado, has some attitude problems within the local administration, don't understand it what with the tight market down there, the area is full of non union hacks and they try to strong arm the employer.
    Currently my techs are with SMWIA, and the local here has the attitude that all members are tinners, doesn't matter if you're a service tech or a T&B specialist. No real training in the apprenticeship and little to no continuinng education courses. We're expected to train them as service them after they turn out. When I need a new journeyman I have to hire the best I can find from the non union market and then make them join the local, there just aren't any qualified techs within the local to hire. This is one of those times that I as an employer wished that my company and the SMW local would allow the techs to change union affiliations. Have stirred up enough crap for everyone now?
    In the world in which I live (however small it may be) the union shop can't compete against all the little fly by night and station wagon residential "contractors", but in my world which is commercial/industrial, the unions can prevail thanks to training and customers that are more than willing to pay top dollar for quality work. All the BS aside there are few non union techs out there in the comm/indust field that have the training or even the drive to want to be educated to the level that this field requires. Those non union techs that DO have the desire to learn find that they are in a minority and can demand the money and benefits that are equal to the union.
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    Well Said.

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    Talking

    It's been a pleasure. Maybe we'll continue this discussion at some time.
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    Well said!! Their are sh*tbums both union and non-union , the UA cant protect the sh*tbums on the service side of this business. Either you can do the job or you can't . Its pretty much that simple . A service co. generally can't afford to carry hacks for several reasons, not the least of which is it's customer base.

    Commercial customers don't mind paying top dollar for good service and quality work.
    So the argument that the unions are are for slackers just dosent wash. You HAVE to produce or you find yourself out of a job .

    Union shops in my area bill @ anywhere from $85-$125hr, for that kind of $$$$$ you better be competant!!

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    your right on the rates for service same in my area,and the real proof is a customer calling on a job not under contract.a top guy can walk in on overtime and solve the problem or with a parts follow-up the next day.my union is voting on $5.00 for the next three years starting in july with .75 cents.the jounrnymen's rate will go up to 30.00+ nice jump for a forth year guy,but he better be able to handle the responsibility that comes with the $$$$

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    We got $12hr over 4yrs, almost $40 hr in the envelope. Not too shabby!!!

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    Hmm

    do you cover large tonnage in the city with that rate,and what is the scale now for journeymen up there?

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